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Which Team Has The Best Car?

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by davidjwest, Jul 31, 2012.

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Which car is best overall?

  1. McLaren

  2. Lotus

  3. Red Bull

  4. Ferrari

  5. Another (Please tell us which!)

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  1. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    Challenge accepted ;)
     
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  2. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

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    I should apologise for giving out the wrong message to you, Silver. I did not mean to agree or disagree with any particular specifics. I have not checked over any of the details at all; I simply expected to see Red Bull feature more noticeably amongst the leading cars. But I willingly admit I could be wrong.

    Forza mentioned specifics. I purposely did not because I have not checked them.
     
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  3. Nazara

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    You might as well put Red Bull for the next three races as well, Silver.
     
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  4. Forza Bianchi

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    After the first lap Hamilton was 1.2 seconds ahead (because Vettel was fighting with Maldonado). Vettel made a mistake on lap 9 and the gap went from 1.9 to 2.6. His pace dropped off after that (he was 3.3 seconds behind when he came in to pit on lap 10). After the stops it was 2.2 seconds, and from there the gap stayed between 1 and 2 seconds. It was 1.2 seconds just before Hamilton retired.

    If Hamilton had the pace to dominate he would have built himself a much bigger lead before managing the gap. The fact that Hamilton was never able to pull away from Vettel tells me the cars were equally matched. Hamilton may have been cruising but where is the evidence that Seb was "pushing like crazy"?
     
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  5. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Because it would look bad to him if Vettel won four races with the best car.

    Vettel is the be all and all... The only one who could wrangle that bucket of an RBR to the top step.
     
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  6. Delete Me

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    His tyres were gone 2 laps before Lewis' and he was locking up before he pitted, Lewis didn't actually seem to put a foot wrong and was easier on the tyres in the first stint and just looked like he was just controlling the race like Seb would do. Jenson pitted on lap 14 compared with Mark who pitted on lap 7. During qualifying both drivers were getting irregular performances from the car unlike in practice the extra grip on the track didn't give them the performance boost the McLarens got.

    It's not an official list Forza, you can make your own if you like <ok>
     
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  7. Delete Me

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    Please make your own list then Sgt, I have my opinion, it seems a lot of people here have their own as well <laugh>
     
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  8. Forza Bianchi

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    So....

    Abu Dhabi: McLaren


    Anyone disagree?
     
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  9. Delete Me

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    Updated <ok>

    Australia:McLaren
    Malaysia:McLaren
    China: Mercedes/McLaren
    Bahrain: Lotus
    Spain: McLaren/Lotus/Williams
    Monaco: Mercedes
    Canada: Red Bull/Ferrari/McLaren
    Valencia: Red Bull
    Britain: Ferrari/Red Bull
    Germany: McLaren/Ferrari/Red Bull
    Hungary: Lotus
    Belgium: McLaren/Sauber
    Italy: Ferrari
    Singapore: McLaren
    Japan: Red Bull
    S.Korea: Red Bull
    India: Red Bull
    A.Dhabi: McLaren
    USA: Red Bull/McLaren

    McLaren at 10 races.
    Red Bull at 8 races
    Ferrari at 4 races
    Lotus at 3 races.
    Mercedes at 2 races.
    Williams/Sauber at 1 race.
     
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  10. BrightLampShade

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    Not quite true, only one McLaren is built to make it to the race end these days :(
     
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  11. TheModestMatt

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    Red Bull was fastest today, if Seb started P3, he would've won his 5th race in a row.
     
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  12. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Not sure you can say that the best car is one that fails to see the end. I'd rather have a Montego.
     
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  13. Delete Me

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    Lewis Hamilton reckons McLaren had a dominant car in the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix and would have delivered a one-two finish with a trouble-free weekend.

    Having taken pole at Yas Marina, Hamilton was pulling away at the front of the field when what he reported as a fuel pressure issue forced his retirement on lap 20.

    His team-mate Jenson Button finished fourth.

    "I think this weekend we had the pace to get a one-two," Hamilton said.

    "I'm not really sure what Jenson was struggling with, but we had the strength in the car and the ability this weekend.

    "I think in the last four or five races we've had something fail on the car even when we've finished the race. I hope luck will now swing our way."


    Hamilton's retirement left the door open for Kimi Raikkonen to win the race for Lotus.

    "I was in a really comfortable spot. It wasn't like I had [Sebastian] Vettel or a Red Bull behind me that was massively quick," said Hamilton.

    "Kimi drove phenomenally and I'm very, very happy for him, but I was comfortably in the lead and the car was just beautiful to drive."

    He added: "I was cruising and I was still pulling away."


    Despite losing a likely victory, Hamilton said he would leave Abu Dhabi happy with his performance and the speed his car had displayed.

    "It was still a good weekend for me. I really enjoyed it. At the time it felt fantastic in the car. We have a couple of other opportunities. Next time..." he said.

    Hamilton stayed around to watch the end of the race, and was surprised to see Vettel get to the podium after starting last.

    "Incredible how Sebastian came up from the pitlane," Hamilton said.

    "He's got to be the luckiest person in Formula 1."


    Even makes a swipe at Jenson!
     
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  14. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    I think fastest and best are being confused here. You can have the fastest car, but if you can't see the end of the race with it, it's useless.
     
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  15. Delete Me

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    It seems to me the McLaren is an untouchable beast at night, Singapore and now Abu Dhabi.
     
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  16. SgtBhaji

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    Untouchable because it's usually on the back of a flatbed somewhere on the infield. :p
     
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  17. Nazara

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    Fixed.
     
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  18. Delete Me

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    Updated <ok>

    Australia:McLaren
    Malaysia:McLaren
    China: Mercedes/McLaren
    Bahrain: Lotus
    Spain: McLaren/Lotus/Williams
    Monaco: Mercedes
    Canada: Red Bull/Ferrari/McLaren
    Valencia: Red Bull
    Britain: Ferrari/Red Bull
    Germany: McLaren/Ferrari/Red Bull
    Hungary: Lotus
    Belgium: McLaren/Sauber
    Italy: Ferrari
    Singapore: McLaren
    Japan: Red Bull
    S.Korea: Red Bull
    India: Red Bull
    A.Dhabi: McLaren
    USA: Red Bull/McLaren
    Brazil: McLaren

    McLaren at 11 races.
    Red Bull at 8 races
    Ferrari at 4 races
    Lotus at 3 races.
    Mercedes at 2 races.
    Williams/Sauber at 1 race.
     
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  19. BrightLampShade

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    Call me crazy but Ferrari and Lotus seemed to have equal race pace to the Red Bull and McLaren. Its just the quali which went wrong.
     
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  20. Delete Me

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    As the (F1 version) of Andy Dufresne from the film Shawshank Redemption once said: "Didn't you know? Sebastian always has the fastest car!"


    But yeah I agree but 30 seconds is still pretty big for Alonso, though if Massa was allowed to be ahead he might of got within 10-15 as he was (AGAIN) faster than Alonso, much faster... but still it would of been 15+ seconds I reckon.

    If I had it my way I would put in Ferrari at Japan, India and Korea, but sadly for some reason people think Alonso can never have bad form and that somebody else other than Massa would of done a better job in that car all season...
     
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