"Beefy's Corner".......For all off Topic threads

On the contrary, if you think most people think like you do your calibration is way off. Maybe most people you know, but certainly not the country at large.

I'm confused by your use of "do-gooder" as a general epithet. Why is doing good a bad thing?

 

Yesss ! A Guardian reader who works for the NHS. The NHS is a wonderful institution but that is another story. If you think that the world will become peaceful due to the ideals of you and few other Guradian readers then it shows how misguided you are - ever since the human race inhabited this planet one human race has fought with another and it still goes on. The strongest usually comes out on top. However there is nothing wrong with trying to make it a more decent world and as peaceful as it can be and equality is a fine principle. However in this country equality is pretty damn good as it is - the trouble is it has gone the other way in that minority groups are now untouchable and have MORE than equal power in many ways.
As an example i cannot agree with this Rooney's Law proposal regarding black football managers - if a black prospective manager is better than any other colour applying then he should def get the job but to say that every employer with a vacancy has to accept an application from at least one black candidate seems like equality gone bananas to me.

 

I'm getting tired of this.

Mods - I thought there was a rule against this kind of overtly political stuff?

The racism discussion was at least tangentially related to football, this is not.

 

No mate - most people in the country full stop. Most normal UK citizens are fed up with all manner of political correct rubbish.

'Do-gooder' is a well known general term for leftie, Guardian-reading, pc-loving, non-producing waste of spaces that have generally buggered this country up. Doing good in general is by definition a good thing very obviously - as most people know this term is aimed at these types who think that they are doing good with their wet ways i.e. trying to make sure some child murdering b----- is getting a good deal in prison instead of making sure that he is either given hard labour for life or in absolute worst cases hung.

 

I reckon the people of New Orleans will be saying "What is all the fuss about?" This is nothing compared to Hurricane Katrina.

 

You are getting tired of it are you, well you seem to be contributing quite a few posts on it !

 

Last few posts which are unrelated to Clattenberg/Chelsea/racism moved to off topic.

 

A wonderful lefty institution.

 

You're only missing "sandal wearing" to reach gomarchingin levels of lefty generalisation.

Also advocating capital punishment isn't perhaps the best advertisement to the rest of your views.

 

I'm just going to try and write one comment on this conversation that's been giving me a headache for the last half hour, and then I'm going to go out.

Generalisations are a dangerous thing when it comes to politics, and Dman's argument seems to be totally based on them. The use of phrases liken "wet", "Guardian readers" and "do-gooders" really winds me up because they are not only stupid generalisations but they're totally lacking in context within the argument. I hate to label people as lefties and righties because those are generalisations too, and they over-simplify the matter. I personally hold liberal ideals, I believe in big government, equality, political correctness and the rest of it. There are a couple of points I'd like to make about Dman's flawed argument:

- The NHS, which he thinks is such a wonderful thing, is a product of the "nanny state" which he claims to hate. Big government = helping each other out. We pay high taxes in order to fund these excellent services.

- These so-called "lefty" principles regarding racism, religion and politics that they're teaching in schools are as follows: equality for all races and creeds, freedom of religion, freedom of speech. What would he have them teach?

- Political correctness, while not perfect, is a lot better than what came before it. Sure, sometimes it can be over the top, sometimes people play the racism card unnecessarily and people are generally afraid of insulting each other, but it's a ton better than the country that existed before, when the Conservative Party used the slogan "If you want a n****r for a neighbour, vote Liberal or Labour", and when even teachers in schools would refer to foreign kids with insulting nicknames.

- The most annoying argument: that "lefties" are non-producing wastes of space. I'd like to hear an explanation for this accusation, because I honestly have no idea what he means. If you work, you contribute to the economy. If you advocate high taxation, then you clearly want to contribute even more. Dman's classic Thatcherite opinion on the more vocational University degrees is also misguided. You can take a degree in Norse literature if you want, and as long as it gets you a job, then there's clearly a place in the market for you and therefore you're playing your role in society.

As a liberal, I will happily pay taxes for the rest of my life in order to provide good healthcare and education for others, including ungrateful people like Dman who will take advantage of those provisions while simultaneously complaining about them. Yep, sounds logical.

 

Dman's views were winding me up a bit too but you have very eloquently answered all of the points that were irking me.

 

Brilliant, thanks Joe. I could have written something along those lines but not as eloquent.

 

Personally, I'm a person with liberal beliefs who usually votes Tory.

Also, anyone watch the Graham Norton show? They had an Icelandic band on last week and just listening to their stuff on Spotify, they're quite good!

 

I read the Guardian , am in the Labour Party , love stilettos and am a patriot ! I could be Edie Izzard .

 

I vote Labour. Last generall election was very frustrating as my friends who previously would have voted Labour voted Lib Dem, which ment of course that the Tories got in (Hove).

I suppose I'm a 'lefty'. I think wealth should be spread around a lot more evenly than it is now, although this only applys to workers, not the lazy and feckless. I also think council housing should be prioritised to English born citizens and ex-servicemen ahead of immigrants. Oh yeah and no blood for oil! And tax avoidance is the same thing as evasion!

 

The problem with both the Labour and the Conservative Parties is that they are so deeply ideologically entrenched that 90% of their policies are based on whether they fit a narrow ideological view of what it means to be either Labour or Conservative rather than practicality or what's best for the country in any given situation.

 

I don't think a millionaire should be running the country. I don't think he's an average representation of the people that live here.

 

Real Labour disappeered a long time ago but then so did the real Tories , Socialism has had to embrace the middle and Capitalism has had to have a heart , these concessions have led to extremely boring and mundane politics , they are a cigarette paper apart , they school together , they dine together and they go to work together , their policies are hardly ever going to be vastly apart .

 

I wholeheartedly agree with you on principle but you can not penalise because someone is wealthy , we would then become them reversed .

 

I don't think that's true. The biggest criticism of New Labour is that it isn't deeply ideologically entrenched, and so old school Socialist Labour voters have become disillusioned. The biggest problem with the political system is that it's all short term. Focused more on winning the next election than sorting out the country long term.

I also pity people who "support" a political party as they do a football team. "I'll always vote Labour" "Always have and always will voted blue" etc. Wait until election time and research all options, don't blindly follow.