Shocking refereeing bias towards Man Utd

Well I didn't say swings and roundabouts in reference to United, I said it about Chelsea fans who think Vermaelen deserved a yellow for play-acting (if they think that's a yellow then Torres' was too). I agree with you about United.

 

To be honest i wasn't particularly impressed with Vermaelen's reaction but if you're going to book players for that then it has to be every time, not just once every now and then

 

To be honest the Arteta goal was probably the 1st peice of game changing luck we have had this season. We could easily have had a penalty against Sunderland & Stoke but nothing was given.

But United seem to be getting these decision on a weekly basis. The only game i can think of when things didnt go there way was against Spurs and even then they have had years of luck against them including goals not given despite being 5 feet over the line.

When the going gets tough for United the Refs usually dish out a red to the opposistion.

I can almost guarantee they will get a pen against us and we get a red card. Sometimes its just written when you play them.

 

Also its funny how some Mancs complain about TV when ther every own Ruud Van Nisterooy did the very same when Viera lashed out when on the floor espite not touching him.

I remember the saying "There was Intent so it has to be a red"

 

Mike Dean is apparently the ref for ManUre vs Arsenal next saturday. So i wonder if Webb is doing the cup game between ManUre and Chelsea

EDIT: Getting conflicting reports saying it is Webb for us next weekend.

 

The spotlight is going to be on the ref big time for this game.

In a way, I kind of hope it is Webb. He is such a blatant Utd sympathiser and every decision of his will be scrutinised. It could work in our favour.

 

This X100.

Whether you think (not you personally) the red cards for Chelsea were correct or not ask yourself this.... What if the game was at Old Trafford and it was Rafael and Van Persie in the same situation? Would either have been red carded? We all know the answer to that sadly.

The Corruption and collusion is there for all to see.

Mark my words, Fergie will retire this season or next. That's why they are rushing to get David Gill in the most senior position amongst the FA and UEFA. They realise that when Fergie goes they lose well over 70% of their power and influence.

Sky today running headlines on the Chelsea stewards sums it up for me, not a single word in Clattenburgs refereeing "performance". Although this is the Sky that tried to buy United out and are the biggest investors to the PL. United are in favour at NewsCorp and amongst the media cartels who serve to protect their own interests. Power protects power. If you look at the Hillsborough case in detail it's easy to see how Politicians, the Police, The FA and the media all work together to protect their own interests. Imagine if the truth about Hillsborough had come out straight away, there would have been hell to pay for the FA, Police and Politicians.

The "These things even themselves out" phrase is the most mythical thing out there, often repeated by Sky, BBC and co to cover up the blatant corruption in favour of United.

Bigger clubs get more favourable decisions against smaller clubs that I agree with but at least the playing field is level. Norwich will be competing with Southampton for a place in the table, not United. Therefore when they play each other the playing field is level. Chelsea and Arsenal are competing with United, not Norwich. When we play United the playing field isn't level which is why I have slightly more sympathy for fans that are immediate rivals of United in the table.

 

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I heard on twitter that Webb has awarded Man U 9 penalties in 32 games and Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool a combined 10 penalties in a 100 games.

It does say something...

 

We've won the PL 3 times.

In 04/05 - 18 POINT gap between us
In 05/06 - 8 POINT gap between us

What shocking decisions? You were lucky to have 11 men on the field for this:

[video=youtube;Cs88nvpF_gw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs88nvpF_gw[/video]

And in the return fixture lucky to be given a goal for this:

[video=youtube;OoGd0GUZYNg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoGd0GUZYNg[/video]

So even in games you claim decisions have gone against you, equally horrific decisions have gone against us. Refereeing decisions is somewhere you can't take the high ground on as a United fan

 

And vice versa:

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[video=youtube;XdA08D8hIiM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XdA08D8hIiM[/video]

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Oh, I forget, decisions that go against us are just the referees trying to "even it up" so no one gets suspicious about how bent they all are

 

I think the reason why we Arsenal fans etc. are all so bitter about you lot is that you can never seem to admit that you get refereeing bias due to the fear that the FA has of Ferguson. I guarantee you, if UTD fans
actually put their hands up and admitted that they got a LOT of unfair decisions, we would be able to move on to some extent.
And the fact that Arsenal went something like a whole season at home without a penalty (considering the keep ball we play in the box, and the amount of claims we had) clearly shows that we've been ****ed slightly in recent years.
Also, Chelski do seem to get their fair share of calls go against you lot when you play each other,

 

How many times have we heard "typical Paul Scholes challenge" over the years, and seen it not bring about a Yellow card, or Red when warranted. He has only been sent off 4 times in his Premier League career, which, quite frankly, is ridiculous!!

 

I see the demented United fans have found this topic eventually. When almost every fan of every team in the league is saying the same thing about United, you Manure fans have to wonder if they have a point.

 

Not only do Utd benefit from more favourable decisions in general, but the incidents where either Clattenberg or Webb have been involved are uncanny. Both should be removed from officiating Utd games as their impartiality cannot be guaranteed.

Utd fans might want to try and sweep this under the carpet as conspiracy theory, but I'm afraid that the prevalence of bias, whether intentional or not, over a sustained period is too stark to be explained as referees making genuine 'mistakes'. Utd are benefiting from poor refereeing and it's to the detriment of other teams and the game as a whole.

The FA need to act to address this problem. Because it's ruining the game.

 

Strange you forgot to mention his other 5 Red cards he got while playing for Utd over the years plus his 1 red card while turning out for England. Add to that the 150 Yellow cards and 12 more while playing for his country and the lack of action by those Utd loving officials seems less likely doesn't it.

 

Wikipedia says he received 4 Reds in the PL. I think if he received 5 in other competitions, in which he played far, far less frequently, that actually adds weight to the argument that he was treated preferrentially in the PL.

England & Europe don't come into the argument - but again, if he received proportionally more while playing either in European Competition or for England it emphasises the point.

 

Of course we get unfair decisions, as do all clubs. But to seriously suggest that the FA is scared of a grumpy OAP is quite frankly laughable! What are they scared he is going to do to them? Not give them any red wine?!?

Not really. Last season you didn't get a penalty at home. In 08/09 we didn't get a single penalty away from home, despite the amount of time we spent in the opposition's box, and Ronaldo being blatantly fouled at West Ham. Ultimately the penalty thing is just another 'stat' that people wheel out to try and prove something

Lol! He's the third most booked player in PL history, ahead of much more aggressive and dirty players like Vieira, Keane, Barton and Savage. Yeah, he never gets booked

Lol, uncanny? Like when Clattenburg let Torres kung fu kick Cleverley in the chest? Or when Webb refused to send Cahill off last season when he took Welbeck out when clean through on goal? Or when Clattenburg sent Evans off and thus condemned us to our heaviest ever home defeat, giving City the goal difference advantage that saw them win the title?! Yeah, really uncanny mate

Wait, let me guess...Clattenburg is desperately trying to get SAF to forgive him after the 6-1, and thought the best way to do that was let Torres break Cleverley's arm?

Ultimately, your 'prevalence of bias' argument is just BS, and based on a selective view of the facts. Like your argument about Clattenburg - two weeks ago Liverpool fans were arguing SAF had banned Clattenburg from reffing Utd for a whole year after the 6-1 against City. And now suddenly Clattenburg is our star referee

Seriously mate, if you want to try and argue there's some sort of conspiracy theory, at least make your argument a credible one!

 

but he had a good game for both sides in this fixture last season so lets hope its the same with Dean

 

Or he was just treated more harshly when playing in other comps. Let's see if you unbiased Arsenal fans can tell me which of these four tackles is the odd one out (top left is Maxi on Rafael at Anfield in March 2011):

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