The Reason Behind Falling Attendances?
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That's not what you said originally, and if you have no evidence to prove Lawell wrong then I tend to take his word on this subject. For anyone to state that the lack of money in the fans' pockets is not a valid reason for the attendance downturn then i'm afraid there is no reasoning with them. Utterly pointless attempting to do so, it's partly my fault I suppose, I should have known better.
Are you deranged? Do I really have to explain that it costs more to attend two matches than it does one?
If you really believe that there is absolutely no hope for you.
He said "I think the most significant affect on attendences at Celtic Park, and they are not in any way greatly concering, is the economy".
And as for Chapper's argument that the economy is no worse now than it was in 2007, that is simply laughable. Take it from me, people are feeling the pinch and things are much worse, pay restraint, (especially in the Public Sector) had not even been thought of back in 2007 or 2009, it's only the last couple of years where the recession has begun to bite. If Chapper, Medro and Nev think the recession has had little or no effect on Celtic fan's finances and that the only (or main reason) Celtic numbers are down is because of the absence of Rangers from the SPL, then they are ****ing idiots not to put to fine a point on it.
They would obviously love to believe it and perhaps they have convinced themselves that they are correct, but they have no way of proving Lawell is wrong, so they will do as they always do, disagree with him on principle, whatever the merits of his point.
I was under the impression that he implied it had nothing to do with Rangers. Anyway, you started to answer my point, then went onto BH's. My point was, why were attendances not falling as much at the height of the recession(I did not mention 2007, nor did I say things were better now than they were in 2007), which by my guess would have been more like 2010 and the simple answer is because Rangers were still in the SPL.
Where did he imply that? He never mentioned Rangers, and because of that imagined sleight, the 3 stooges decided Lawell was having a dig.
He wasn't implying it 
I think you just like to argue. You dont even care if you are right or wrong.
I think you just like to argue. You dont even care if you are right or wrong.
can you not read wee sacks? He said "I was under the impression that he implied it had nothing to do with Rangers"
Like I said, "I" was under the impression that he had said that and I also stated that I couldn't be ****ed reading the article! Let me think where I got that impression from, oh yeah, when the headline on the BBC said, "Economy to blame for falling attendances, not Rangers-Lawwell". So you can understand why i thought he implied/said it?!
And I said yesterday (in fact I posted his quotes) that he had neither said nor implied any such thing, I explained that the Media were putting words in his mouth.
Unfortunately Nev and Chapper began taking Lawell's quotes out of context and making things up and they ended up confusing themselves.
To be fair you still haven't answered my point about when the recession was at its height( I assume things are better now than they were 2 years ago, I really don't know, as I am not there), why were attendances not falling? I put it to you that the main reason is that Rangers were still in the SPL. Even though things were ****e, these clowns(on both sides) probably put their game ticket before their family. Now Rangers aren't there, they probably spend it on crack instead.
Here's my tuppence worth...
I think it's a bit of both. Economic climate coupled with fans less willing to shell out on a product that is slightly less appealing without the historical rivalry of Rangers and with perhaps a bit of thinking the title is a foregone conclusion for good measure.
I think it's a bit of both. Economic climate coupled with fans less willing to shell out on a product that is slightly less appealing without the historical rivalry of Rangers and with perhaps a bit of thinking the title is a foregone conclusion for good measure.
I did answer your question, things are far worse than 2 years ago and Celtic were not in the CL two years ago, that's what lawell was talking about.
LEEDS UNITED:
As the table below shows attendances have definitely fallen at Elland Road this season, but what is the cause of that drop, and is it consistent with the rest of the Championship as a whole?
It’s a subject that’s sparked significant debate here on but there’s one constant very few seem to contest – that recession is partly to blame.
Read more: http://www.thescratchingshed.com/2011/10/elland-road-attendances-down-more-than-15/#ixzz2Agg07Myr
NOTTS FOREST
According to East Midlands Today attendances in the Championship this year are down. Forest's are down 4.5% but this is better than Derby and Leicester who are both down by 9% on last season.
This suggests firstly that football is being badly affected by the difficult economic climate as people tighten their belts as the ongoing recession bites.
Read more: http://www.forest.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=22158&start=1#ixzz2AggIgakz
Sport facing unprecedented problems in the face of global recession: A commentary By Simon Chadwick, Coventry University
The impact of the downturn on sport has certainly started, it definitely is not yet finished, and so we find ourselves somewhere in the middle of what is rapidly becoming the most unprecedented situation facing the new world of commercialised, globalised sport. Just short of six months ago(1), I was asked to comment upon the consequences the downturn might have for sport. While I stand by the underlying principles of my assessment at the time – that sport will be amongst the most recession-resistant industries – the world’s economic problems have developed with a velocity and severity that has taken even the most pessimistic commentators by surprise. Indeed, sport, which at one time may have appeared to be largely immune to the impending recession in some countries, can now only be described at the very best as being more resistant than, for instance, the financial services sector. Events, sponsors, clubs and players have already been affected by an economic reality that some in sport have never encountered before
http://www.europeanbusinessreview.com/?p=1632
Which is exactly the line I have taken Gambol, it is not simply down to Rangers not being there which is what Chapper and Nev and Medro believe, there are a number of reasons, the most important being that fans have less money to spend on football and are being selective in the games they attend.
He knows alright. Just doesn't want to admit it.
Haven't Celtic been playing in Europe the past few seasons.
Yes it was the Europa league but how much of a difference is there between Europa and Champions League tickets.
The recession was worse a few years back for everyone, football fans included.
To suggets this as the main reason for a decline in Savco's tickets is just stupid.
I don't know 1 person who isn't in work. I'm in the construction business and we have plenty of work both in Scotland and England