That's very fair. I read it as an angry post about the sending off that cost us and an attempt to establish patterns albeit crudely (no offence intended Igor). Fact is, to me (and perhaps most on here), racism doesn't enter my conscious thoughts and it was only at Queens' request to re-read the OP that I could actually see his reasonable objection. I'd actually take my ignorance/naivety as a blessing of sorts, a childlike innocence if you will (as alluded to by Brix). Sadly, I'm guessing that Queens doesn't have that luxury due to idiots (hopefully consigned to his past). Personally, I don't feel that there's any subversion here and I think the board is as broad minded as could be hoped for with a diversity and tolerance that would enhance society if it was uniform across populations. I could still be missing the point but hope nobody thinks badly of me if I have (or for my general observations).
What a load of ****e! Maybe you could be the mod for racism queenslander as long as it suits you're agenda!
those africans and their lack of discipline? The most red cards in premier history ... the first african player on the list is Bassong at number 73. 1 Duncan Ferguson 8 2 Patrick Vieira 8 3 Richard Dunne 8 4 Roy Keane 7 5 Andy Cole 6 6 John Hartson 6 7 Franck Queudrue 6 8 Lee Cattermole 6 9 Nicky Butt 6 10 Martin Keown 6 11 Alan Smith 6 12 Vinnie Jones 6 13 Frank Leboeuf 5 14 Dennis Wise 5 15 Nikos Dabizas 5 16 Lee Bowyer 5 17 George Boateng 5 18 Jason Wilcox 5 19 Kerimoglu Tugay 5 20 Carlton Palmer 5 21 Ugo Ehiogu 5 22 Luis Boa Morte 5 23 Steve Lomas 5 24 Steven Gerrard 5 25 Scott Parker 5 26 Frank Sinclair 5 27 Francis Benali 5 28 Joey Barton 5 29 Don Hutchison 5 30 Lucas Neill 4 31 Ben Thatcher 4 32 Tim Sherwood 4 33 Ricardo Gardner 4 34 Ian Pearce 4 35 Damien Johnson 4 36 Rory Delap 4 37 Dion Dublin 4 38 Gary Caldwell 4 39 Lee Hendrie 4 40 Paul Scholes 4 41 Jussi Jaaskelainen 4 42 Alex Rae 4 43 David Weir 4 44 Pavel Srnicek 4 45 Craig Short 4 46 Cristiano Ronaldo 4 47 David Batty 4 48 Nemanja Vidic 4 49 Sol Campbell 4 50 David Unsworth 4 51 Gareth Barry 4 52 Nolberto Solano 4 53 Paul Konchesky 4 54 John Terry 4 55 Tony Adams 4 56 Jason Roberts 4 57 Dominic Matteo 3 58 Darren Fletcher 3 59 Mario Balotelli 3 60 Darren Purse 3 61 Claus Lundekvam 3 62 Mauricio Taricco 3 63 Jason Dodd 3 64 Paul D Williams 3 65 Dejan Stefanovic 3 66 Philippe Senderos 3 67 Colin Calderwood 3 68 Keith Gillespie 3 69 Steve Chettle 3 70 Tim Flowers 3 71 Emmanuel Petit 3 72 Zatyiah Knight 3 73 Laurent Robert 3 74 Sebastien Bassong 3
here's a list of the most premier league bookings English Premier League / All Time / Most Bookings could only find a list of the top 35 and there's no african players on the list the first number is the amount of bookings and the second is the number of games # Name Bookings Matches Booking Rate 1 Kevin Davies 99 444 4.48 2 Lee Bowyer 99 397 4.01 3 Paul Scholes 95 490 5.16 4 Robbie Savage 87 346 3.98 5 George Boateng 87 384 4.41 6 Scott Parker 85 318 3.74 7 Phil Neville 85 496 5.84 8 Nicky Butt 77 411 5.34 9 Gareth Barry 77 471 6.12 10 Patrick Vieira 77 307 3.99 11 Gavin McCann 75 301 4.01 12 Paul Ince 73 306 4.19 13 Roy Keane 72 366 5.08 14 Kevin Nolan 72 311 4.32 15 Richard Dunne 71 408 5.75 16 Mark Hughes 69 296 4.29 17 Dennis Wise 68 278 4.09 18 Gary Speed 68 534 7.85 19 Frank Sinclair 67 288 4.3 20 Ray Parlour 66 379 5.74 21 David Batty 66 266 4.03 22 Tim Sherwood 65 341 5.25 23 Alan Smith 65 285 4.38 24 Wayne Rooney 65 324 4.98 25 Jamie Carragher 64 487 7.61 26 Luis Boa Morte 64 296 4.63 27 Lucas Neill 64 279 4.36 28 Joey Barton 63 227 3.6 29 David Unsworth 63 364 5.78 30 Luke Young 62 378 6.1 31 John Moncur 62 216 3.48 32 Emile Heskey 61 516 8.46 33 Carlton Palmer 60 261 4.35 34 Chris Perry 60 363 6.05 35 John Terry 60 379 6.32
Why? I wasn't accusing anyone of anything, nor taking anything out of context ... I was adding some facts in to the debate
African players at QPR ? I see only men. My opinion is that on the surface certain players are trying too hard for the team. This team has shown in spells that it can contain the best teams in this league and in fact boss the game yet we have nothing to show for it . We are building and to pick out or to look for stupid reasons is pointless I warned of this lads We are on a supercharged express train to try and cut it in this league and become a established club That takes a lot of highs and a lot of lows and a **** loads of good and bad luck ... What is happening here is outstanding take ****ing stock. We have the best squad ever in our history built by MH couldn't care what their skin colour is ... Get real some of you FFS
Not all Africans, its just a trait in their footballers and it goes back a long time, remember Canniga and Cameroon?! The list above might have something to do with time spent in the league, I think the last game was Diakites 1st game without a card of any kind. Perhaps he should have said our African players have a discipline problem which is true, Id say the same if we had 3 scousers always getting booked or sent off.
Very stupid statement from someone i thought had more..! Obviously wrong.! What agenda is that mate, the one where everybody has to agree with you and your views on race. if you are not black please explain how you have any idea what it feels like? Spending 6 weeks on holiday is not a valid answer! Normally Bob you make perfect sense, I just hope there are not your real beliefs on how we feel in regard to this subject. Stunned how people cannot see the obvious racial slur in this OP or thread. And you lot gave swords sh**ye about Imaz !!?
As Brix says, its nothing to do with them being African or Black, the only thing you could point to is coming through the french system as that is true for all of Mbia, Diakite, Cisse, Taarabt, but even then I don't know if it makes them worse disciplined...although thinking about it...Cantona, Zidane...
Brix was spot on with his post. Really new this was gonna go this way. i'd happily entertain a thread on racism as long as people didnt threaten to leave, become abusive or get the hump. I HAVE NO PROBLEM BEING RACIST.... what ffends is when they dont know it or cant see it and defend thier beliefs.. Each to thier own i suppose !
Combination of a clumsily ( and obviously unintentionally worded OP ) and as The Pirate says "..it's just plain stupid to generalize" has led us astray here. Did anyone read the Granero interview when he was talking about the need to be more than a technical player in the Prem? He made it clear that he understands the need to tackle hard, be seen to commit and give his all for the team here - and you can see it in his performances. Here's the problem - players trying to satisfy OUR demands who aren't used to the context and taking it too far ( M'bia aside, that was just idiocy). So it's our fault for our craving for bloodlust. Just see what we say about players not perceived to be giving their all - Zamora being accused of 'not being interested' and so on. No win situation - and by the way, I'd like to see how many of BZs critics have played CF against two half decent CBs - it's the most bruising position in the game and he does it week in, week out.
I have an adopted black brother and sister and racism has been rife in their life. Just shown my bro this thread and he laughed. He said its like saying Italians are divers!!!
My mate was a victim of a black racist at the palace away match who wouldnt serve him food because he was white, it happens the other way around too. However Igor was just making an observation and I think you went over the top.
Fair enough mate. Each to thier own. I grew up as one of 3 black people in high school in the 70's; so i know all about racists. i taught people at my school how to draw a swastika. i read "Bulldog" the NF mag that was sold outside grounds. I have many racist "friends" who arent racist against me (yeah-go figure?)... the point I'm trying to make is that it takes a lot to insult me..I'm a black man in a country that only stopped slavery 30 years ago !! I commented on Igors OP and said it would turn ugly in my first post. i have no agenda, just was very shocked at the OP. i also knew people would defend the post and concept. thats why i asked for it to be closed. For the record Bob. i dont in anyway consider you as a racist and i think Its all got mixed up in the interpretation. Lets draw a line under it and move on eh? No hard feeling, but certainly livene up the board a bit !!! keep the faith mate!
Ah so youre the bloke racists always use as an excuse as to why they cant be racist! "oh I have black mate, I cant be racist" Notice Terry alluded to that with his little Chum Cole.
Flyer, sorry to hear about your mate, and I too know people who will not talk to me because i have a white misus and mixed race kids. I despise these people even more for the sh**e they cause us. I never said it didnt happen the other way round & I have lost some close friends over it. I have PM'd Igor to say i understand what he was trying to say and hold no grudge against him. I'll await his reply Personally dont think i was OTT but thats your opinion mate and you are entitled to it If anyone else thinks i was OTT for being offended, then i appologise to you all. i was making a legitimate comment about something i believe in. just because I appologise, doesnt mean i dont still hold my beliefs. Peace and love to all the QPR family...keep the faith guys & girls !
Yeah..got an e-mail from a [email protected] about 10 months ago !! not sure what he wanted but just deleted it !
I managing a shop when 2 foreign guys walked in and laughed. I had a black assistant who was seething after they left so I asked what was wrong. He said he spoke their language and they walked in and said "oh they let n*ggers work here now" in their own language and said he didnt want to cause trouble as hed only just started the job. I told him Id have physically removed them if hed told me when it happened so I know the effect it has on people when its really abusive. Igors remark was innocent, I hope he doesnt think he cant post here, Im glad that you cleared it up with him and ive known you long enough that like you, youll always defend your corner.
