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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by fran-MLs little camera, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. gomarchingin

    gomarchingin New Member

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    Joe mate you have just got walloped , like the last time we had a chat , its very noble of you only to have moderate feelings for this Nation , I think you need to travel and then assess love , like , grateful to this Country .
    It sure as **** is not the best but its a whole lot better than at least 90% of other Countries out there .
     
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  2. Joe!

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    So one man coins the term "liberal fascism" and you take it as gospel? After five minutes of researching this Jonah Goldberg guy and his opinions, I can confirm that I think he's a complete moron. Mussolini was a socialist but he wasn't a liberal. He was a fascist and a totalitarian, and those things directly contradict the idea of liberalism. Liberalism = freedoms. Totalitarianism = lack of freedoms. This guy clearly has a conservative agenda and is attempting to give liberalism a bad name.

    Fine, so "fascist left" is a known term that I was unaware of, but now that I've heard of it, I totally reject the idea. Even its Wikipedia page says "left-wing fascism and left fascism are terms used to describe tendencies in left-wing politics that contradict or violate the progressive ideals with which the Left is usually associated.": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism

    Therefore, those tendencies are not left-wing. They are anti-liberal. What you're doing here is you're presenting a philosophy (and one that I disagree with) and presenting it as fact.

    And no, I have not just got walloped. You cannot proclaim yourself the winner of an argument. Grow up.
     
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  3. gomarchingin

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    Rejecting a term and not even knowing about it before 5 minutes ago is the sign of a child Joe . Off to walk the dog .
     
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  4. Joe!

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    I looked it up, learnt the meaning and then rejected it. That's the sign of a grown man who is capable of forming his own opinions based on new information. You should give it a try sometime. Also it's nice to see you don't have a retort to my argument.
     
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  5. dman

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    Do you think that austerity only affects this country - goodness me, have you no idea at all about what goes on in the rest of the world ?
    Patriotism is not thinking that your country is necessarily the best, it is working together with your country through thick & thin to make sure that our values are upheld etc.
    Anyway if thats how you think then we will have to agree to disagree as i love this country, warts & all. Same as i support Saints, warts and all !
     
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  6. Joe!

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    Austerity = an economic policy of deficit-cutting by lowering spending on benefits and public services. Austerity is not an effect, it's an action. I think you're confusing it with the debt/recession itself. There are plenty of countries out there which are not tackling their debt with austerity measures.

    Patriotism = a blind devotion to one's country. It is closely related to nationalism. In fact, nationalism is born from patriotism.
     
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  7. pass the football

    pass the football Well-Known Member

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    No need to be quite so patronising. Of course austerity doesn't only affect this country, but it only affects the countries which have enacted policies to that end, and we are one of them. Joe has explained that quite well.

    You can still love your country without pledging your unconditional allegiance to it. Can you not think of anything that would make you ask questions of the state?
     
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  8. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Nah, it's definately the best. Australia and Canada are ok but don't have any football to speak of, the USA has too many gun toting religeous nutters, and Scandanavia is too ****ing cold. Most of Western Europe is ok, but GB comes out tops.
     
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  9. hotbovril

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    OK, in the first instance, I think you're talking about people who are potentially removed from the issue due to the circles they mix in being predominantly white. I was actually referring to this as a non-issue in the sense that wherever I have lived or worked or socialised, for as long as I can remember, has been a multi-cultural environment. Subsequently, race is a non-issue purely because everyone in those environments just sees Dave or Mo or Saj. They don't look beyond it, which of course, is exactly how it should be!

    That said, within this type of environment, the formation of any organisation which is "x" only will be perceived by some (some people I know personally and others who have already expressed the same opinion on here) as the incorrect way to tackle a problem. They are fully entitled to that opinion, regardless of whether or not I agree.
     
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  10. pass the football

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    Some people think people of other races are inherently inferior and shouldn't be allowed to organise for fear they are trying to impose some sort of agenda on the rest of us.

    Are they fully entitled to that opinion too? How far do you have to go before you're not entitled to an opinion?
     
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  11. Joe!

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    They're all ardent patriots as well. Coincidence?
     
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  12. gomarchingin

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    Who has pledged their unconditional love for their Country ? Questioning the state is something completely different and I hope you know that or I might as well talk to myself .
     
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  13. gomarchingin

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    So the New England Patriots American Football are inherent racists ?
     
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  14. gomarchingin

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    From learning a new political system thought process you did not know about 5 minutes ago , what do you think of Marxism , Leninism and both combined ?
     
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  15. Joe!

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    It's not a new system, nor is it a new philosophy. All it is is a new term based on things that I already know. I have learnt its meaning and rejected it as contradicting and nonsensical. Marxism and Leninism are actual deep political ideologies with actual merits. I spent two years studying them, so I could talk for a long time on what I think.
     
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  16. gomarchingin

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    Carry on .
     
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    You have never heard of the fascist left and you studied what ?
     
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    If they're inciting hatred, then you're not entitled to that opinion. I'm sorry, I'm all in favour of freedom of speech but it can not be used as an excuse to propagate hatred.
     
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  19. Joe!

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    I hadn't heard the term. I had heard of everything it represents. Also, Lenin and Marx were not fascists. Stalin was a fascist.
     
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  20. gomarchingin

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    Yes I know that thank you , Christ you are on the ball . So Marxism , fall of the state to socialism ?
     
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