Some players feel that not enough action has been taken, fine. However I am not sure what the specific problem with Kick it Out is, and why the protests are directed at them. I don't know much about the whole campaign but I have a feeling that the director was probably watching the events with mouth open. If players want to criticise their actions then that's ok, but I think they should engage with the campaign, rather than protesting against them. The right message was not sent.
The suffrage movement was important because women weren't equal by law. All races are equal by law, so this is a different thing. Racism stems from lazy generalisations where a person judges another person by their appearance and not by the content of their character. If you're going to make your race the forefront of your identity then people are going to focus on it more. If we're all going to be on the same page then we can't all be separating ourselves into different exclusive clubs, and we need to stop identifying people primarily by race and generally just stop focusing on it.
They did but the suffragette movement was about women voting and taking part in mainstream politics and society ironically by the privileged few , this is entirely different , this is about breaking away from the mainstream .
Political correctness , affirmative action , positive discrimination are as damaging . Discrimination is discrimination end of .
what next? a union for mixed race people? they can not have a black players union as they are then saying that they are different from everyone else. after all, they play under The FA not The Black FA.
And to finish off , to create a group of selective persons because of their race to combat racism is a complete oxymoron , it's not valid , again something the soft liberal elite fail to understand .
It's my old argument about labelling, the moment you label someone black, or white or yellow you create a sub-division, and thereby create a problem.
Yes. Of course racism needs addressing and condemning when an incident occurs in the public eye. However, this recent swathe of non-stories in the media, ironically stemming from an anti-racist group kickitout, is not only unnecessary but incredibly tedious. I went on BBC Sport last night after getting back from uni and the top three stories were all racism based. It's entirely unnecessary and counter-productive attention to an issue that has improved immeasurably in England over the last 25 years. A 'Black PFA' would be entirely retrogressive.
Not really anything to do with law, it's about how they are treated. You could make the same argument about Stonewall or feminism in general (as opposed to the suffrage movement), or whatever. Minority groups, by drawing attention to their respective plights, get the decent 90% of people to side with them and the 10% eventually have to either revise their opinions or at least keep them to themselves. If you never speak out then nothing changes, and people still use 'gay' as a general insult, or use 'black' as an intensifier without thinking about it.
Have you thought about it at all? The normal PFA isn't going to become a 'white' organisation! If you're don't identify as a member of this group then you don't have to join it.
No, not this. There's always one person who comes up with the "if whites can't do it then why should other races be allowed to?" argument. Let's get one thing clear here: white people don't have a reason to unionize; minorities do. Personally I don't think this breakaway union would be a good move, but they should have the right to do so if they should so choose.
That would be fine if no one was criticised for joining the original PFA. Black or mixed race people are often subjected to abuse if they don't toe the line...they call them Oreos in the USA (after the biscuit). Some are called liars if they have had no problems with racism. I remember a case where a white man and his black wife wanted to adopt a mixed race child and were told no because they said they had never experienced racism. Sometimes you should celebrate progress and stick with the system that has brought about such an improvement. I just cannot see what good this will do apart from alienating people.
Well I would hope that people don't leave the PFA, I would have a problem with that, but being part of another organisation in addition would clearly be of benefit to many (or it wouldn't have been proposed). I don't know if those stories are true but even if they are I don't see how they are relevant. Really it doesn't matter if you or I see the benefit of this proposal anyway, as long as the people it is for do.
Yeah I don't think it's particularly bad compared to other countries, but I have to say there a couple of people I know, who I actually used to be friends with at school, who turned out to be pretty massive racists. One of them played football at youth level for Watford and Stevenage, and ended up playing senior level for Enfield Town and Harpenden Town. So yeah, there's one racist in football right there.
Let's be honest, football tends to attract angry idiots. It might shock you but last time I went to a match at St Mary's as I was walking to the stadium there were a group of 'lads' who were using explicitly racist language. We don't have Serbia-style mass mobs in the stands but in a more subtle way, it's definitely still there.
That depends I have a very good gay friend who I insult with jibes and him me , nothings meant by it and we have been friends for years , his partner is black and he is more right wing than both of us , its how you say things and how people interpret them . You should go to exclusive meetings of minorities (I have) and trust me they are exactly the same as all of us , in fact they are all of us .
Wow, I never thought I would read a post from gomarchingin that is written and worded well. I agree whole heartedly. The last sentence in bold is almost profound; it is something that gets missed by a lot of folks when dealing with others who look different, but in fact are just the same.
