FAO of PNP as promised Madeleine albright was secreatry of sate when she said on national television (60 minutes) that more deaths than hiroshima of children in Iraq was ''worth the price'' to achieve certain political goals. terrorism? According to the 9/11 commission report. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed met with Bin Ladin and discussed certain places/buildings as targets these were the World Trade Center, which represented the U.S. economy the Pentagon, a symbol of the U.S. military the U.S. Capitol, the perceived source of U.S. policy in support of Israel The White House was also on the list modern warfare or terrorism? 3000 killed ''worth it''? collateral damage?
my initial point, as it seems to have been forgotten, to mick was here is a FACT for you from the FBI and europol. We have a war against ''terror'' at the moment and it has become a them and us approach. Them being muslim, yet 99.6% of terror acts in USA are by non muslims the only wrong thing there was saying USA (which is 94% non muslim attack wise) and 99.6% the point stands and is valid
Back to calling people Jews as an insult again, Fan? Care to claim that you're not a bigot again, too? How did you work that out? I'm awaiting a No True Scotsman fallacy, so feel free to surprise me. Yes, it is interesting that a large number of these organisations don't give a crap, as long as it's Muslims killing and suppressing other Muslims. One of us does. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4875678.stm The Birmingham 6, who successfully appealed and had their convictions quashed? Great example! Nice to see you admit fault, Fan. You are capable of learning, after all. I already gave you more than one example of this from the FBI link earlier, Fan. There were several occasions when criminal damage and vandalism by animal rights activists was classed as an act of terrorism. No, they're not, as they class things like 9/11 and a random assault as one incident each. They're not comparable, so the figures are ridiculous. You'd know this if you actually read anything that people posted in response to your bullshit. British born of Jamaican descent, motivated by an Egyptian, trained in Pakistan and Afghanistan and committed his offence in France on an American plane. Internal! As I said, a nutty theist with thoughts of martyrdom, motivated by the actions of Islamic terrorists. What part of what you've posted do you believe contradicts any of that? The incidence?! Just a little case of killing 3,000 people, attacking the Pentagon and knocking down a few buildings, eh? Why all the fuss?
No, she wasn't. She was US Ambassador to the UN. So are you saying this was wrong or not? You seem to be defending one side and criticising the other, then claiming that they're both committing similar actions.
No, your point was absolutely demolished by the statistic which showed that the vast majority of terrorist related deaths in the US were a result of Islamic terrorism. The percentage of terrorist incidents is irrelevant, as many of them were things like criminal damage or assault, which don't compare with killing thousands of people.
again please see dictionary for definition as it was an incidence, regardless of teh fuss or what not
only i never mentioned deaths, which is something I have repeated but you have difficulty grasping. here is my initial quote here is a FACT for you from the FBI and europol. We have a war against ''terror'' at the moment and it has become a them and us approach. Them being muslim, yet 99.6% of terror acts in USA are by non muslims where does the word 'deaths' appear? and please see the definition of terrorism I posted from the NCTC, it seems only you have a thing about deaths dictionary definition ter·ror·ism/ˈterəˌrizəm/ Noun: The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
Why would I hide my Jewishness, if I were a Jew? You seem to think that there's some reason that I'd conceal it. Prove it. He specifically referred to "our religion" in speeches during the 70s. That's not even a sentence. Saddam had opposition from a lot of people, both Muslim and non-Muslim. I didn't see any Islamic freedom fighters leaving other countries to stop him slaughtering the Kurds, though. Wrong sect? How is that a tangent? I pointed out that you were defending the genocidal by claiming that Saddam's Iraq wasn't that bad, you claimed that I didn't know the meaning and I gave you an example of him doing it. You sound like Eddie now. As I said previously, if it's shown that Madrid wasn't an Islamic attack, then you've got a point. It hasn't been, so you don't. Paraphrasing, actually. I made points, you agreed. You weren't being insincere due to your cowardice and trying to dodge the questions, surely? The animal activism was just the best example. There were numerous others where relatively minor crimes (cigarette smuggling) would count as a terrorist incident. You'd count that as one incident and 9/11 as one. Clearly ridiculous. And my point was that those figures are completely irrelevant, which I've demonstrated repeatedly. And you've quote the wrong figure, again. How is a British born terrorist committing an offence in France on an American flight internal? The fact all of his motivation and training was utterly external appears to have escaped you, for some reason, too. His motivation was provided by extremist Islam, which you seem to think is a justification, judging by your previous statements. His MO has absolutely nothing to do with mine, but as a similarly minded theistic loon, you seem to share most of his traits. Opposite sides of a ****ty coin.
So you don't have an opinion? By the way, you're attempting to compare a trade embargo with attacking entirely civilian buildings, you do know that, right? I grasped it completely. In fact it was my entire point! You're ignoring the important statistic in favour of a completely meaningless one, which I've demonstrated to you about a million times.
If anything this particular attack (at a labour youth camp) was motivated by his attutude towards the left. Only you could blame muslims when a non muslim guy with right wing views, links to right wing organisation, influences from zionist and a catholic gets hold of weapons and goes on killing spree killing non muslims, and attempted bomb on a government building. Its actually a good indication of your ridicilousness in the whole argument TBH. I said 7% of attacks in USA (your figures incidentally) were by Jews and 6% by muslims you have gone on and on trying to somehow make the 6% being bigger. Now you are trying to do the same thing for a guy who was aminly nazi, mainly influenced by zionism . It kind of proves you are an islamophobe let me break it down, non muslim, tries to blow up non muslim buildings, kills non muslim kids, wished he had killed more non muslim kids You are a bigger threat to this country than me, who would have thunk it? actually thats is not quite true as my argument has always been that non muslims pose a bigger threat than we are lead to believe
You completely missed it and continue to do so. and can I just say if you want to get picky on numbers you shouldnt say 'about a million times' its nowhere near The most important statistic is that 99.6% of terrorist attacks are by non muslims, 94% in the USA are non muslim see still no mention of deaths you started an argument about something that was never raised as an issue, it seems in an effort to try and win an argument that was about something different
Are you really this stupid, Fan? Do you really not understand why your statistic is totally irrelevant, even on the rare occasion that you've actually quoted the right numbers? Do you not get that some people spray painting cars makes up a percentage of your non-Islamic terrorism stat, yet 9/11 makes up a similarly small chunk of that number? I'm struggling to comprehend how anyone could fail to understand such a simple concept. I'll make it simple for you. If Person 1 commits three crimes, stealing an apple on three separate occasions and Person 2 commits one crime, murdering a family in an arson attack, which one should the police focus their efforts upon? Remember that Person 1 is responsible for 75% of the crimes that have been committed, whereas Person 2 has only committed 25% of the crimes. Do you get it yet?
So ,what did those squaddies do that was filmed on the daft ****s lap top?..... I reckon it was sexual
such a shame. I had to go anyway but you stopped doing the point by point response. You were just starting to hang yourself as well FFS you will probably try and say hitler was a muslim next. According to you reid was trained externally so he was external, but saddam with the kurds was internal though he was armed externally, even breivik was muslim inspired though he was right wing, zionist influenced anti leftist (by his own admission in his report). I was going to go over the whole thread and cite you with your own quotes etc but havent the time and I wont be around to read it for afew days anyway so pointless. This is you isnt it? [video=youtube;PL1jDcAHkc8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1jDcAHkc8[/video] As for your example, its another ridiculous argument. the issue wasnt apples or ****ing spray paint no matter how much you try and trivialise it. You laughed when I called 9/11 an incidence, yet then have the nerve to try and compare other terrorist attacks in the USA to spray paint You like statistics dont you, well FBI reports show that between 1980 and 1985 alone there were 18 terrorist attacks committed by Jews, 15 of those by members of the Jewish Defence league and they involved killing and wounding. The JDL was founded in 1968 but I give you just the 5 years between 80-85 and just the USA attacks, although they have committed terrorist acts around the world and various members are wanted around the world The JDL also have links to the EDL and organised a support rally in january 2011. Breivik (described as pro israel by the Jerusalem post) also claims links to the EDL heirarchy and Paul Rey (aka lionheart) after being investigated in july 2011 conceded he may have been an inspiration to Breivik. Despite all that the stupidity of your example is further highlighted by the fact that the countries attacked in the 2 wars since 9/11 have **** all to do with the countries of the alleged perpetrators 15 were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt and one from Lebanon. So the police didnt get the arson guy in your analogy or the apple guy, they went and arrested a kitten and pinned the blame on that The really ****ed thing is that the Jews in the past openly celebrated and praised people who committed attacks against the USA. For instance the Lavon Affair, named for the Israeli Defense Minister at the time, Pinhas Lavon, the Israeli government launched a false flag, terrorist operation against American sites in Egypt hoping to provoke American bombing, retaliation and war against that nation. The Israeli terrorists targeted American sites such as American Cinemas and American libraries around Cairo. Only the premature detonation of one of the Jewish terrorist’s bombs led to the exposure and halt of the plot before the extensive loss of life and property. How did Israel respond? “Although it is still a sensitive situation, we decided now to express our respect for these heroes,” President Moshe Katzav said after presenting the three surviving members of the bomber ring with certificates of appreciation at a Jerusalem ceremony. Am sure you will come with all your accussations and all your insults etc and frankly if I had the time I would have carried on all day, but its not to be enjoy
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