Ah right so suicide bombers are not primarily driven by their Religion? In regards to my lack of knowledge on Godly matters, when Socrates was indited for Godlessness and asked to recant his knowledge that there was no Gods (of the Greek kind) he said all that he really "knew" was the extent of his own ignorance on such matters. I am certainly not the one who is so bold to claim to have knowledge of God's inner wants and desires - apart from maybe the fact the good lord must indeed love the stupid, since he made so many of them.
In 3 seperate cities? I notice that you don't include embassies as being on "US soil" as well. Even if 9/11 was the only attack, that means there have been 2,499 terrorist attacks elsewhere in the US perpetrated by non-Muslims. I think they're counting acts of mass murder which don't have ideological purpose. Or making it up.
This from the brainless mess who starts threads on subjects such as climate change, evolution and cosmology and doesn't have a clue about any of them Stick to wife beating and Cuban cooking Fan.
I'm still confused as to why anyone even bothers responding to "you know who". A complete an utter waste of time, like trying to knit with helium getting an honest reply from him. If there are no facts to back up his story he will simply make some up.
I don't expect a proper or satisfactory answer but given the lack of people who want to put any effort into arguing about such things in life I've gotta take what I can get every now and again in order to keep the atheist neurons in the brain well connected while waiting patiently for a mightier foe
In all fairness i'm in no position to criticise those who do try and make him see things from all sides and viewpoints, I tried, God (If there is a God) knows I tried, but his intolerance and out of hand dismissal of anything that does not tie in with his world view (along with outright lies and not a little prejudice) made me realise I would be as well trying to handcuff lightning. I have had him on ignore for about a year but now and again someone will postquote him and I get to see what he has said, this only highlights the fact that I was correct in choosing to ignore him.
Straight to the bullshit ad hominem attacks, eh Fan? Still trying to tell people what they believe, despite being told repeatedly that you're utterly and completely wrong? Can't say that I'm surprised. In what way was my reply out of context? The religious can, have and will always justify their actions by interpreting scripture to fit their aims. As it's all so intentionally vague, it's to be expected. I got the tables from the same place that you got your figure from. As you go on to quote from the same website, I'm guessing that you know that already. The figure for the US isn't 99.6%, as you claimed and that site doesn't claim that it is. It's for Europe. Now that you've realised your error, you still won't admit it. http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/ And deaths is a far, far more telling statistic. Beating up one person and killing 3,000 people count as one incident. Not the same thing though, are they? Your personal view of what counts as a terrorist attack is also irrelevant. My point wasn't about any overreaction to Islamic terrorist attacks, though. My point was that you're misquoting figures to suit your own personal point of view and talking out of your arse, again. So that's 94% for the US, then? That'd make you wrong then, wouldn't it? Interesting that you've focused on the Jews, for a change. Oh look, that's you being wrong. What this barchart that says "Terrorist Attacks in the EU"? That'll be you being wrong again then, won't it? please log in to view this image So in summary, I was right and you were utterly and undoubtedly, totally and completely ****ing wrong. As usual. As you're incapable of admitting to it, I'll expect some sort of pathetic attack in response.
severe lack of knowledge it would appear, You need to read what really was going on with Socrates. Religion itself was not what he was ultimately ''fighting'' or put to death for. It was his view of democracy as a failure that was the issue
So utterly predictable! Why are you so utterly incapable of reading other people's posts, Fan? I don't have any Jewish bias and my stance on the Israel/Palestine situation and the American handling of it has been critical of all sides. You, on the other hand, have displayed constant and obvious bias and have leveled anti-Semitic jibes at anyone who's not in complete agreement with you. It's plain to see where your views come from and it's not from a sensible evaluation of the situation. As for your question about my accepting the Europol source as authoritative, you've clearly misunderstood my point. I was merely highlighting the fact that you were misquoting figures to back your argument. I have absolutely no idea whether they're accurate or not, but I have no reason to doubt them, particularly. I drew no conclusions about Islamic terrorism in Europe or the US, bar the astonishing figure that they utterly dominate the death stats, which you don't seem to think it relevant, for some reason. I'd suggest that they're actually the most important stats, but apparently killing loads of people doesn't matter to you. Why's that, then?
Well according to Plato's The Apology not conforming or believing in the official gods of the state of Athens was exactly the charge that he was put to death for (plus corrupting the youth of Athens with such thoughts). If I was you and was going to attack my use of Socrates I may have pointed to the fact that he was deeply Religious - which begs the question do you even put five minutes into checking anything before you accuse others of a lack of knowledge? At this stage though I won't bother replying, it was never about trying to win with you, you're too far gone to bother.
I wish I could've seen Fan's face when he watched/heard about "The Innocence of Muslims": please log in to view this image
That bar chart doesn’t explain the definition behind “Islamist” and what constitutes “Seperatists”. It might not be such an issue within the EU, but in their similar bar charts, how many “seperatists” are seperatists because their nationalism is based on the childish garbage of Islam? (Cue FanWith doing a good conspiracy theorist “the truth is there if only you’d open your eyes and look” routine – is there a difference between the extreme religious and the shape-shifting reptile conspiracy brigade?) Also, these are “attacks”, not just deaths..What constitutes an “attack”? If it includes bug-eyed rioting by brainwashed bearded buffoons shrieking about the “prophet”, demanding respect but giving no respect whatsoever back but promises of a world caliphate and mass beheadings with blunt knives you’d think that a certain group would walk away with it.
Thats what I have always said about your arguments and why they change weekly depending on who you are talking to. kudos for finally admitting it MY point was the war on terror is misleading, you missed that Also can you stop trying to have it both ways? what I mean is on one hand you say column with the most killed is the important stat, yet you say the Israeli's and palestinians are equally at fault, surely based on your own viewpoint its the Israeli's at fault as they have clearly killed the greatest number. Its this attitude that leads me to believe you have Jewish sympathies, and the whole defending the Israeli flag at WHL, also the eagerness t label jackie and me yet ignore the likes of the poster M ahmedinejad.
Its ok I am used to this from you now. I feel it may be an inferiority complex. Having left school early and marrying young it seems you are over compensating. Your not alone, Jip seems to do this a lot nowadays. It seems its a result of trying to fit in Anyhow the plato example you gave is wrong. The real issue can be read up even on wikki if you are interested. Its actually fascinating the real reasons and teh politics behind it. Democracy was seen as spent by Socrates, and many years later some would say the same now Interestingly Jonah makes a valid point below, when you break things down all isnt as it seems
I actually agree with your first line, its been sort of my argument in the past and to a degree now if you read between the hate. What I mena is that how do you define? For me a palestinian donning a vest and blowing somewhere up isnt necessary an Islamist, just a palestinian Also what you say about the brainwashed bearded buffoons, now if you look at the people carrying out the bombings etc they look more like tony blair than Osama bin laden. No beards, shirts and trousers, and were seen in clubs, drinking and with women fornicating (of course these are the profiles as given by The USA itself). So the link between what you say and what is in front of us is different conspiracy theory? no mate them is facts
