Byron Young - an incompetent journalist, Hamilton fanboy and Ferrari-hater. He talks crap all the time (like this). There's so much bullshit in that article: [NSFW] What an idiot You know how many races Hamilton has won having started outside the top four? NONE! So much for "REAL" victories, eh? Schumacher earned no.1 status. Even without it, Barrichello and Irvine weren't good enough to beat him. By that logic, it makes almost every F1 champion's achievements irrelevant How long has he been watching F1? What a stupid thing to say. You should have seen him on the F1 Show a couple of months ago. Every time he opened his mouth, it was either love for Hamilton/McLaren or hate for Ferrari/Alonso. He got a chance to explain his favourite three moments of the season, which were - McLaren dominating first race, Hamilton winning Canada (or Hungary), and Alonso being overtaken by Webber at Silverstone. As expected, he also took the opportunity to try and devalue Alonso's win in Malaysia. The one time I remember him saying something different was him complaining about Pirelli, because he couldn't remember whether the harder tyre was going to be prime or option in future races [/NSFW]
We'll never know if Schumachers team-mates could've beaten him fair and square as they were often driving with inferior equipment, be it illegal traction control or specially made tyres, and a look at history will show that Ferrari have always been a one driver team.
The moment i saw the article was written by Byron Young, i didn't need to read further. Brundle's just said he doesn't reckon Schumacher's achievements have been "diluted" by his comeback. So Brundle's a fan.
We all have opinions. It is natural that some will not like mine, particularly when they are strong. I don't mind your objection, in principle, since it is also your opinion, HaackReaction. And with such an emotive topic, I would expect strong disagreement. However, your suggestion of a "bitter pill to swallow" and what follows it, appears nothing more than a stab in the dark at guessing the reasons behind my opinion. Your personalised comment seems nothing more than the words of a reactionary who finds accepting a different opinion rather difficult. The author of this thread asked for the opinions of members, so I offered mine, which is this: As I accept your opinion, I would ask that you make an effort to accept mine, or simply ignore it. After all, I made it clear that my response was only an opinion. â And it was asked for.
Cheers lads Dont often post on the F1 part of the forum, but will be visiting more often. It seems, like in football, we all have a slight bias to the teams we support and defend or vilify certain posts, but none are wrong, they are all opinions . Regarding the thread, ive picked up on a few things from all sides. The nature of previous F1 seems to be money, whether it be the financing of teams or the drivers teams can employ and the drivers egos demanding to be No.1 driver for the team. IMHO , it seems its getting alot closer with the teams now, and I think it will benefit the sport, as the amount of different winners this season proves. A bit more tinkering, maybe to some of the tracks and DRS zones (as in a driver should use it where ever he wants) to allow more overtaking.
Never been a fan of Schumacher, and probably never will be, but you can't deny that the man is in the top 10 of all time.
Byron Young? Never heard of him in all my years watching f1 and I will never hear of him again. F1 could do without ****s like Young who clearly know **** all about the sport. What a disgrace to the Mirror. But then again it's the Mirror. By the look of his face it looks like he's going to have a coronary anytime soon so finger crossed. Just as my position - Schumacher is easily one of the top 3 drivers f1 has ever seen. That ability of fitness, to construct a team around him and that unbelievable raw speed we saw in Grand Prix's is unlike anything I've ever seen in f1. A lot of myths are created by Schumacher's detractors ie his team mate never got equal treatment. Quite frankly, like Alonso at Ferrari now, it just appears to be that case but in reality the gap in quality between Schumacher (and Alonso's team mate) was so large that anyone too desperate would look for excuses. I remember the 2000 San Marino Grand Prix. Schumacher and Hakkinen were running away with it at the front of the Grand Prix with Barrichello in third...only Rubens was holding up the whole field, TWO SECONDS A LAP SLOWER than what Schumacher was going at. Races like Hungary 2002, Monza 2002, Nurburgring that year were clear examples of Schumacher holding back just to allow Rubens enjoy some limelight. The fact Schumacher "held back" just to allow his team mate to win was ridiculous at times. Austria 2002 where Rubens was cruelly denied that win was an extreme example which I recall only happened again (the previous year in Austria). Schumacher handed more wins/points to Rubens than Michael ever did to his Brazilian team mate. Barrichello's gripes should always have come with a pinch of salt. This is the man who when he saw his Button in 2009 run away with the title he pulled out the same excuses. But of course - Schumacher easily top 3. Only two men have really mattered in f1 the last 25 years. Senna and Schumacher. Alonso is knocking into that elite two (as near as the great Hakkinen nearly did) but if we're talking raw talent they never came better than Senna and Schumacher. The romantics will go for Senna but you're just as worthy opting for Schumacher.
Yeah, but Seb will always be the greatest of all time, just like Lewis said: "They're just a drinks company, Versus McLaren and Ferrari." How could he ever win against that firepower Sebastian Vettel and RBR: The guys who kicked down their 2 tier championship and pissed on their parade and ****ed off a few million people along the way
The media will be horrified if Vettel becomes a triple world champion before Hamilton and Alonso. 2 world titles, well they still have a case to argue that Hamilton is better than Vettel, Alonso currently is, but if Vettel was a triple world champion? People would finally have to admit, "oh, this guy can really drive, even when he hasn't had the best car all season"
Not bad for a number 2 driver, an average driver and a drinks company eh? Cant wait mate, I CANT ****ING WAIT!
Vettel has been getting better as a driver and would well deserve a third title if it falls that way. I don't think that you can use title count as the only yard stick when it comes to evaluating a driver though. Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton are the cream of the current crop and there's not a lot between them. My only complaint with Vettel (other than the finger) is when it doesn't go his way. He has a face like a slapped arse. He's so young though... he could easily take 5 titles.
I should prolly have added Kimi in there too.... but there's no telling when he'll get bored and bugger off for a Magnum... be it champagne or ice cream.
I'll wait with patience and caution with this world title just like I did last year. It isn't over until it's mathmatically impossible for anybody to beat him, if that's 2 races until the end, 1 race until the end or the damn ****ing last 1, I wont even be thinking about jinxing this championship by speaking too soon as only 2 races ago people were saying it was all over and Alonso would win the WDC unchallenged and look what happend. People here can start saying he has it "already in the bag", but the majority of the Seb fans wont as it's stupid to celebrate this early when Alonso still leads by 4 points and we have no interest adding pressure on him that he "has to win the WDC now" Seb will go out in the next 5 races and do his best like he always tries to do. This is the toughest season in years, anything can happen and Alonso has shown that things can change quickly! Anybody in the top 6 is a threat to Seb and I don't give a **** what anybody else thinks about the matter, this season still has 5 races left. Seb is Seb, he isn't the next Schumacher, nore the next Jim Clark let alone Senna and Fangio. He has nothing to prove to himself, his family, his friends, his work collegues let alone us his fans, but to just go out there focus, and enjoy himself period! Seb is in a strong position at the moment heading into Korea with some mega upgrades this weekend and next weekend, hopefully Mark will now be told to fall in line and not try to ruin the only actual threat to Alonso by acting stupid. This is a once in a lifetime chance to see the youngest world/double champion maybe do what Schumacher, Alonso and Fangio never could! Win their first 3 world titles back to back! He would also break Senna's youngest triple world champion record by about 6 years! Which I think must be broken as I feel F1 as a sport has moved on since Senna and his last days in F1, we need to put that past behind us and enjoy the new legends present and future! Too long I feel Senna and Ratzenberger's deaths put a shadow over this sport and I want it to be silenced with something more positive, the good and fun things about F1! 2012 I feel is the year we can finally put it behind and move on and focus on something better. It sounds fantastic for us Seb fans, but first it has to actually happen. The champion has already been decided in the future, we are just catching up to find out who it is!
