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And yet Evra changed his evidence three times, lied on oath about his distaste of

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  1. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    Thing is Ruff he didn't report what he had heard, he reported his perception of what he thought he heard and yes the context of what he actually heard was not taken into consideration but they are clearly two different things within two different cultures.

    Re your last two paragraphs, the FA left Suarez being branded a racist in this country and for that reason we are prepared take what he said in context rather than jump on the bandwagon.

    The way JT's 'guilt' at the hands of the FA has been dealt with by the English media the PFA and also the black community and race relations organisations etc compared to Suarez also grates bigtime with us.
     
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    Your comment would be reasonable if Evra did in fact report what was said to him.

    The fact that he reported something that was not said and was never said makes him and his statement a lie! He covered himself by suggesting that he thought the word used was '******' via Italian and French, even though the conversation took place entirely in Spanish! Do you think this explanation is plausible, especially considering that Evra was quite comfortable using Spanish insults to start the argument in the first place? Why would he then revert to interpreting Spanish into other languages in order to feel offended?

    As I said, I feel that Evra realised what he had said could not be corroborated or proven, he then backtracked and was advised that he was in danger of being ripped apart if he reported it, that imo is why he did not go to the police, and that is why he had to change his story, which he did! That is not disputable, Evra changed his story, even you can see that, can't you? <ok>
     
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  3. Ivan Dobsky

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    "That is not disputable, Evra changed his story, even you can see that, can't you?"

    And lied under oath too. That isn't disputable either.
     
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    Maybe the FA realised they'd been too soft with Liverpool in the past, (Benitez getting away with calling the integrity of referees into question with his 'Fact-rant' and spectacles gesture, Gerrard getting away with the Michael Brown assault plus all his unpunished dives etc) and decided to come down hard on Suarez to redress the balance?

    Fair play to them I say. They're making up for past errors. Suarez is the unfortunate fall-guy, and it couldn't happen to a nicer person <laugh>
     
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    Do they actually swear an oath at an FA hearing? You seem to be confusing this with a criminal trial in every single way donga.
     
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    You spoiled your rant with a reference to the Gerrard court case Jip.<laugh>

    You failed to mention Utd's tap up of Ince and Stam and Mary Brown and former owner of Utd's drilling holes in walls in women's toilets to watch them taking a dump etc.<whistle>
     
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    Are you saying that the FA dealt with this case with a preconceived agenda in mind?? It seems that you are, which is pretty much the argument that most Liverpool fans use! It is refreshing to see that you also recognise this! <ok>
     
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    Complete and utter bollocks from an inane individual
     
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    He wasn't in court!! For ****'s sake Donga, there was no oath.

    Apart from that, I'm off to bed. I see everyone's point in this, genuinely I do.

    In all this the FA are the one's who've ****ed up, beyond that I reckon it is down to opinion and interpretation.



    Goodnight, playing golf in what seems about two hours. <ok>
     
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    Fair comment mate about the FA and opinion/interpretation, enjoy your game! :)
     
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    Night Ruff.<ok>


    PS, if you ever get stuck for a pair of plus fours iv'e got a couple of pairs you can have, but there's a hole in one.<whistle>
     
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    For you Donga, I said the Liverpool staff/players lied. They tried to discredit Evra which is the actions of the guilty. Daft ****s couldnt even get their stories straight.

    Taken from Repofmanc

    Thankyou and goodnight,
     
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    Boom boom.

    <ok>


    Right, if I don't **** off now I'll be on here till five am like you so cheerio.
     
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    Tbf Gaz i think regardless of what Suarez said to Evra the insult that JT aimed at Anton has no other context in any other country and/or culture than this and was as racist as racist can be, but maybe had he said it to a black player in a Uruguayan league match they'd have given him a medal eh?
     
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    I hear many black people in Uruguay dont like the use of the word negro anyway, they dont see why there skin colour needs referring to.

    I think they have a point, do you?
     
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    'Nergo'? Negrito seems rightly or wrongly to be perfectly acceptable to the black communities of Central and South American countries.

    But 'black c**t' might just be beyond the pale even in those countries eh?
     
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    Negro. Not a popular word in Uruguay or South America on the whole it would appear.
     
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    It is specifics within the cases that people are commenting on, not the actual cases themselves!

    Things like the FA finding Terry's evidence 'contrived' for one, whereas Evra's initial evidence was by his own admission 'contrived', i.e. he changed his story when he realised that his initial story was not credible and had no basis! His strangulated story of how he was offended involved three different languages, yet the only language spoken was Spanish, that is a contrived version of events! That is indisputable by the way, Evra admitted that he changed his story when he realised that there was no direct translation of the word 'negro' into '******' in Spanish, he then used Italian and French variations of the Spanish word in order to justify his claims, a contrived story in other words! <ok>
     
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