Surely you are not including all his tackles here? There are plenty of occasions in his career where the ball has not been his interest and he has been merely trying to hurt people! I accept that he does pick up more reds as a result of genuine just slightly over zealous challenges. But he has done plenty of the other kind where he just goes to hurt people. He reminds me of the idiot on a Sunday morning who plays up to the goons on the sidelines. They cheer his late tackles, mistimed tackles and bad ones with the same lustre. The idiot laps it up. He just needs to learn to control himself, a lot of it is just misplaced adrenalin. We'll have to agree to disagree about who has the worse discipline on the pitch between Barton and Cattermole. For me they've both gone on the naughty side of trying to hurt people. Cattermole defo would stud someone in the balls, has grabbed people by the neck, and would have no issue with putting a knee in someones back. He's probably done all three in his time. My point is he is involved in a lot more incidents on the pitch than Barton. Off the ptich its a no brainer, Barton has been scum in his time.
That just isn't true Pouch, you can easily find most of Catts reds on line, many are for second yellows for 2 genuine, if ill judged and advised attempts, to win the ball. It's horse **** to say he goes out to hurt people, absolute horse ****. Catts control has probably cost him most of the reds, balls got away from him, then a rush of blood desperately trying to win it back, the only really nasty Catts red I recall was when he was at Wigan.
Again you are missing the point really. You've managed to point to one incident. For every one you can show me for a Cabaye or Tiote, I can probably show you 4 of similar severity for Cattermole. Hence the red card count seach enjoy. Its like comparing apples with oranges. You need to pick a m ore fitting comparison. Roy Keane/Patrick Vieira/Vinny Jones. These are the ilk that Cattermole falls into. I dare say he'll surpass them all when it comes to red card counts. He's pretty much there already I believe.
Since he played for Sunderland?? Go on then? I have seen Cabaye kick lumps out of players and get nothing - same with Tiote - Tiote INTENTIONALLY stamped on Cattermole's achilles - he did it with pure malice and no intent to win the ball - nowhere near the ball - and again got nothing, in the same game he punched Cattermole in the face - Cattermole committed one foul in that entire match so in a single game there are 2 intentionaly fouls to one hard but not overly hard tackle (which Tiote rolled about like a girl for until Catts got booked) - Since Catts signed for us his straight reds have been very few - last season the only straight red he got was for calling the ref a cheating **** at Newcastle - and that image above shows he was pretty correct in that! Newcastle fans all think Cattermole is the dirtiest player in the world - remind me why Tiote got rested towards the end of the season (was that last year or the year before?? I can't remember!)?? Was it perhaps so he didnt get a 15th yellow card?? More than ANY other player in the league that season!
No WP, it is you who has missed the point. You claim that Catts is this uber dirty player whereas your boys aren't. As MONsMush pointed out, most Cattermoles cards are for judging tackles poorly and mistiming them. Claiming he goes out to hurt people is nothing short of libel. And it just so happens to make you look all the more foolish when there are clips of Cattermole going for the ball and getting punched by one of these players who are supposedly whiter than white.
Show us ONE mate, show us one Cattermole red in a Sunderland shirt that wasn't a genuine attempt to win the ball. I won't hold my breath mind.
That's pure bollocks to be blunt. To put this to bed I'll name one from each club he's been at where he had no intention of playing the ball. Whilst at Boro against your good selves. Throw him grabbing the opposing player in the melee that followed (as Quillps said he doesn't). Wigan - take your pick really Habib Beye was pretty bad but the one on Parker (West Ham), no thought of the ball. Bruce himself admitted as much. At Sunderland, look no further than his one on Tiote from behind. He wanted to send a message. At no time in any of those situations was Cattermole interested in the ball, he was trying to maim the opposing team player. I could go on too because there are plenty of others which have been unsavoury. The kid is filth when it comes to tackling. I wouldn't care when he is not full of rage I actually enjoy his tackling, which is firm but fair. Once the red mist goes though, the ball is the last thing on his mind. I'm surprised people can be so bilnded to his blatant rage problems.
Simple question, is this a genuine attempt to win the ball? (against you lot too for good measure) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGua1otlbI And of course once you see this kind ****e, you start to wonder if his supposed mistimed tackles are mistimed at all! Case closed your honour...............
I've got news for you Marcus. Its not only Newcastle fans who think this. It is the whole fecking league except for Sunderland fans. But of course the rest of footballs fans are wrong and Sunderland are right. The only people you ever hear defend him are moronic Boro fans who see him as some sort of warrior and Sunderland fans. And here we go again with Tiote. It is purely moronic to compare the two. One picked up 15 bookings and is a fairly dirty player, but lets face it the majority are for trips and clumsy late tackles. Hence he rarely sees red. Cattermole has something like 7 red cards. Yes I think it is fair to say Cattermole is dirtier than Tiote and not really comparable.
First of all it could be argued it was a genuine attempt to win the ball, an awful one but thats not the point. If you notice he goes in where the ball was... Yes he has his issues, that doesn't necessarily make him a dirty player though (a stupid one maybe). Thats the difference. He's honest unlike the players you have said its unfair to compare him with, so in that respect it is unfair. You've well and truly boarded the band wagon and upgraded to first class.
Are you actually serious? Must have been why he jumped up waiting for the reaction.................... Seriously it is the fecking point, he went to hurt the Sunderland player. This is the kind of red and white spectacle stuff I'm talking about. I show you a blatant malicious challenge and you say "nah he went for the ball" He certainly was in the area where the ball was, he simply made sure he got the player.
I honestly give up, this is moronic beyond belief. You keep believing that Tiote is similar to Cattermole, I'll keep chortling while your club captain gets sent off once or twice a season and continually shames your club.
We're gonna defend our player. He has a rush of blood in him, but he does not regularly go out to hurt people, as you claim, it's bollocks. Catts has been of 6 times in the Premier League, he's played his whole career there, forget Tiote, what about Cabaye? How many reds has he got away with since he got here a year ago? 3 minimum, confessed by a few Mags on this forum. Is he a scummy player who goes out to hurt people? No, he's a full blooded player who sometimes crosses the line in the fight for his team in the midst of battle, the same as Catts. Nobody is saying Catts is an angel, far , far from it, but to say he goes with the intention to hurt people is dog ****. 1 of his reds was for swearing at a ref after the final whistle, leaving 5. 3 or 4 where for second yellows. Not the stuff of a leg breaker really, is it? Yes, the lad needs to tone down his enthusiasm, but to say he's a thug that goes after people, simply not true.
Did I defend that tackle? NO. Did I play devils advocate? Yes. Did you jump in as rashly as a couple of certain players? Yes.
You said you could argue he went for the ball, implying it was borderline. Well you could argue that Tiote is a white man but it would be pretty stupid. It was not borderline he went to hurt the player. There is no argument to be had, it was filth. Was it not Modric he went over the top of the ball against too? That was not an attempt for the ball. He could have won it if he wanted but went in to maim. He only got a yellow I seem to recall too. If Modrics leg had been planted he'd have snapped it. That was for Sunderland too. If I really could be arsed I could probably get loads of examples, but I can't. The fact I can recall so many without even having to search says it all really.
Yes I do think Cabaye and Tiote are fairly dirty players when it suits them. Cabaye now and again leaves studs in where he shouldn't. He is normally fighting fire with fire but its no excuse. The only one I take issue with is the Jay Spearing one who got everything he deserved as he went in to hurt Cabaye, and it was more of a defensive reaction from Cabaye. Cabaye is worse than Tiote because I can see him doing the Bardsley thing again when he gets the lip on. Tiote is over zealous and gets a lot of bookings for persistent fouling. Nothing really dirty (he has done the odd one) just trips and pushes etc. Why these two are used I'm not sure because neither is comparable with Cattermole. Cattermole on occasion in the heat of the moment gone in to hurt players. Its in his nature and I'm not even sure he is capable of changing it. I used to say "when he matures and cuts out the macho nasty stuff, he'll be a good player". I find that very unlikely now as he is still doing the same stupid ****. I think I've provided more than enough examples now of Cattermole attempting to hurt someone. It is not dog **** to the masses Mush. you say Cabaye could have been sent off 3 times. How many more has Cattermole got away with? I dread to think. Modric is one but there have ben others.
I agree with so much of your post marra, but it just isn't true that he deliberately goes to hurt people. The Modric one was nasty, BUT he went for the ball, and he touched the ball, but yeah, should have been a red. By the flip though, many times Catts gets a yellow for nothing, including the first one at Wigan that contributed to his red. I'm not gonna blindly defend Catts, but I'm not having that he's malicious by nature either. I've seen many oppo fans on here say they rate Catts, and agree that he's more ill judged than malicious, there's 2 sides to anything.
We'll have to agree to disagree on Modric. There was no reason to be going in that high. For me he knew what he was doing. I get that it was an attempt to rough up the playmaker but he shouldn't have been catching him up there. You may have had the odd oppo fan say that but being honest, if we polled the fans from every club in the league, what do you reckon the outcome would be? I'll happily put my house on it being, he's dirty and he has gone in to hurt people.
Problem is with that, most people won't have seen him play or even seen the red cards and will have their opinion based on that of others. It's never gonna be a fair representation to have an open poll. Shall we beg to differ and move on? Next debate, Tiote, man or pregnant spider?
