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Discussion in 'Watford' started by geitungur akureyrar, Nov 16, 2011.

  1. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    Morning ofh - tricky one that but I'll plump for 1964. Jim Reeves' only #1 hit in the UK was 1966 - two years after his death - but by then The Honeycombs had been consigned to the Pop Scrapheap. So I'm guessing that "I love you because" featured at some point during your wedding?

    I'm still off work with some rather tender 'innards'. Was rushed to hospital by wife yesterday morning at 2:30am - a somewhat agonising 45 mile dash during which I felt every bump on the road.

    Colonoscopies and digital examinations are not to be recommended at 4:00am (nor any other time I suppose), regardless of how attractive the young lady doctor who carries them out is. :(
     
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  2. Leo

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    1964 has already been taken BB :)
     
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  3. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Yes you are both right, I did say it should be quite easy to work out. ;) Thanks for the good wishes Leo. <ok> Sitting on a rubber ring today BB? <laugh> Not laughing really, it sounds uncomfortable.

    I did report a little while back that I had changed my UK driving licence for a French one. Although there are the odd mutterings here about 98 year old drivers still going about their daily trips to the baker, unless you do something bad, the licence is yours for life. Today I came across this in a newspaper article.

    "Older drivers are safer than other road users but the myth that they pose a risk 'refuses to die', Professor Desmond O’Neill, Consultant Physician in Geriatric and Stroke Medicine at Trinity College Dublin, has argued.

    Writing in the British Medical Journal online, he said on the evidence older drivers not only have an enviable crash record, but they also raise traffic safety among other generations.

    He said the risk of serious injury to children is halved if they are driven by grandparents rather than parents.

    “Yet the belief that older drivers pose a disproportionate risk to other road users refuses to die," he wrote.


    I will remember this when I start to feel older. <cool>
     
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  4. hornethologist a.k.a. theo

    hornethologist a.k.a. theo Well-Known Member

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    I drive more cautiously these days...not that I'm old of course <laugh>
     
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  5. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    I think the problem with a lot of older drivers is that they can be over cautious. I have been caught behind an older driver many times and their reluctance to keep up with the speed limit and the traffic is dangerous. Coming across a car doing 20mph on a 60mph road can cause problems. I have also had to take evasive action because an older driver failed to stop at a junction and pulled out on me and another because she was in the left hand lane to go right at a roundabout, when I overtook her she looked stunned to see me, as if she did not know I was there. Im not saying all are bad drivers, but I thinks its the minority that are dangerous. I think that therd should be regular checks to determine fitness to drive, things like reaction times, eye sight.
     
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  6. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Come, come Dan. No younger drivers have ever had a close call with you? None of them been unaware of you because they had the CD player at full blast? We all have made erors of judgement when driving, but I don't actually think that age, or even gender, comes into it greatly, more to do with speed and paying attention.
     
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  7. babyhornetdan

    babyhornetdan Well-Known Member

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    I never said that. I agree that new, often younger, drivers can be dangerous too. Young driver make mistakes too, due to inexperience. I have not had a run in with any of these, but I admit they do happen.
     
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  8. geitungur akureyrar

    geitungur akureyrar Well-Known Member

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    Sæll öll. I am very late.

    In the driving theme. My mother has stopped driving as she has macular degeneration, so I got her car. The car is a 1998 VW Golf which had 60.000km and is like a new one. She has an electric cart now.

    I read the Dail Mail text. I do not understand what the writer is trying to say. Does he want a dead club instead of one that is working with not english money and available players. This is a different way, we do not have the money to make experiments like Manchester United or City, or even pay the wages of some of the players in League One standard. Why did he not write about Liverpools bad form and their experiment with a manager with very little Premiership experience and before Liverpool no money to spend.
     
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  9. Bolton's Boots

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    Dan, have a word with H - I'm sure she will confirm two things for you. 1) You should always keep your speed below the maximum speed limit for the road you are driving on, and 2) There is no legal obligation to drive at the speed limit. ;)

    One of things that many a younger driver has to learn is that driving is not simply a case of heeding road signs - it's more a case of responding responsibly to all the road conditions that present themselves when driving, and that includes the state of the road, the nature of the road, the weather, the time of day and all types of other road users present. It is, more often than not, a question of learning to be patient and to deal with whatever you are confronted with.

    If you think that being confronted with a slow, elderly driver now and again is frustrating, try driving up here for a while. Sitting behind farm traffic or school buses on a corkscrew of a road is a frequent and everyday occurrence that can be annoying, but soon teaches patience. More importantly, it helps all drivers to arrive safely at their respective destinations, not just the ones who speed.

    As to regular checks for fitness to drive - well, that's all very subjective. For one thing, failing eyesight is not the preserve of the older generation, as neither is the ability to reduce reaction times by filling one's body with chemical additives. Impetuosity on the other hand.............
     
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  10. babyhornetdan

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    Ok, I understand about driving under the speed limit, but 20mph on a decent surface, on a sunny day is a little bit extreme surely!?!?!!? The road did have a corner in it yes, but it was hardly the hairpin at Monaco.

    As for the checks, the problem is that you cannot leave it up to the subject to determine when they need to stop, the fact that many older drivers have been found driving the wrong way on motorways/dual carriageways and hitting the wrong pedal just shows that many dont know. If you make the tests mandatory then you catch the minority.
     
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  11. Bolton's Boots

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    20 mph on the face of it is very extreme - however it should warrant further consideration before knee-jerk reaction. The fact that the driver was older may have been incidental. For example, have you never driven in unfamiliar surroundings and had to slow down to check for a turn-off or similar?; have you ever been halfway through a journey and a butterfly valve in your engine has failed leaving your car only capable of 20 mph whilst you are trying to get off the road asap and find a garage? Drivers simply need to be more considerate of other drivers and think of possible reasons for their 'strange' actions rather than jump to conclusions.

    As to driving the wrong way on motorways, I would hazard a guess that age is not the main offender for that either, given that we are one of the very few countries in the world that drives on the left. Authorities insist on allowing 'foreigners' to drive on our roads when they are only used to driving on the right - should we call for them to stop that?

    I actually have no problem with mandatory tests, just not the type that targets one particular group of drivers when statistics show that other groups are more responsible for the problems we experience on our roads. One in, all in please. :)
     
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  12. babyhornetdan

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    I dont think anything was wrong with the car the driver passed several pull in spots and a layby with an emergency phone too. So I assume there was nothing wrong.
     
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  13. vic-rijrode

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    I suggest that every driver over the age of 60 should have to surrender their licence. They would then be supplied with a 30-something chauffeur on the State's expense on a 24x7 basis. That would rid the roads of a major menace......
     
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  14. hornethologist a.k.a. theo

    hornethologist a.k.a. theo Well-Known Member

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    Actually a 60mph road doesn't mean you have to drive at 60 mph. Agreed, 20mph is frustrating, much like being behind a tractor, but only causes problems if drivers behind lose their patience. As a matter of interest research by insurance companies has actually shown older drivers are far less likely to be involved in accidents than younger ones. Almost all the aggressive, dangerous drivers you meet are young and if anyone should be tested as fit to drive it is those who psychologically convince themselves that they have a right to intimidate others, including anyone they think is travelling more slowly than they wish to go.
     
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  15. hornethologist a.k.a. theo

    hornethologist a.k.a. theo Well-Known Member

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    If there were many older drivers hading the wrong way up motorways there would be carnage on a daily basis and you have no evidence to show older drivers hit the wrong pedal any more frequently than younger ones. If I used the same reasoning about the examples of bad driving from young people I meet on the roads I could argue that none of them are fit to drive. You need to discriminate between your occasional encounters with a driver whose driving doesn't please you and real hard statistical evidence.
     
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  16. Bolton's Boots

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    Looking at the football scores, I just did a double-take - Tamas has put WBA 1-0 up against Liverpool! ;)

    Mariappa finally makes his Reading debut.
     
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  17. Jsybarry

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    On certain roads in Jersey, 20mph would be breaking the speed limit! The "green lanes" have a speed limit of just 15mph. In reference to adapting to the conditions, I like the French idea of a reduction of the speed limit on autoroutes by 20kph in the wet.

    I've had the most bizarre of days today. There were no systems available at work and that included the emergency back-up site - something to do with a power line from France. This was a big problem when amendments have to be made in the bookkeeping to be used in the accounts that are going before the directors of that company tomorrow. I ended up having to catch-up on my filing - I can't remember the last time my desk looked so clear. I finished at about 4 then got a call from my boss at 5.30 saying the systems were now up and running and once I've had something to eat (I wasn't best pleased she said that when everyone else was ordering from the Italian restaurant next door at the companys expense) I was to go in so we could put the amendments through. I was sent home just after 8 as I'd done my bit but she and the other manager working on that client would only have just left the office.
     
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  18. babyhornetdan

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    I am not angry that she did not stick to the speed limit, its the fact that she was doing 20mph thats a third of the speed limit on a dry, open and relatively good road. I could cope with 50 or maybe 40, but 20 is just extreme. Also, they probably dont get into many accidents, they probably see them in the rear view mirror.
     
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  19. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I frequently travel at 5 mph on a Saturday afternoon when I am trying to get home for a match. <grr>

    I would like all shepherds to be tested on sheep driving. ;)
     
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  20. Hornette_TID

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    Yay, go you BB! <bubbly><bubbly>

    I'd happily buy you a beer w_y :)

    why do all their songs sound the same, and why are they all rubbish? lol (shame they're from Harrow, that could have been a claim to fame!)

    Congrats M Frenchie et..Mme Frenchie! <bubbly><bubbly>

    Very well said BB. As i always say, a speed limit is not a target, it's a recommended maximum. It depends on all the things you say as to whether it's safe to travel at that speed or not :)
     
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