Slightly O/T re today and football in genaral

Where have I criticised Hull? I have said twice that the only people that have ever said anything nice about the place are those that are from the place. Actually, that's not even true, as I said in my previous post. The only people that have said anything nice about the place to me is you lot on this forum. Everyone else I know that has been there or moved away from there has only said negative things about it. This is my (admitted limited) knowledge of a place I have little interest in and no connection to.

Regarding your cousin, it's possible he didn't live in one of the better parts of Leicester. As I intimated in my last post, the bigger the city, the more rough spots it will have and Leicester is the 8th largest city in England.

I get the impression from you Hull fans that the areas surround Hull maybe a lot nice that Hull itself. This may be the case, but it's not the surrounding area that I'm referring to.

 

The surrounding areas are much nicer. The City itself has been improving in recent years though. A little bit of regeneration has been going on and putting up some bigger, nicer looking buildings to improve some areas. Really - Without insulting anyone who lives there (Hull Fans) - it's places like Orchard Park and certain areas of Bransholme that make Hull look and sound a lot worse than it actually is. It's one of them where you have to have been there to make a comment because word of mouth from people who have moved away is normally going to be negative or why else would they have moved? There'll obviously be some people who have moved to Hull and stayed there and will have lots of positive things to say about the City. I for one think it has a better City Center than most other Cities, but then again that's opinion.

 

If I misunderstood you, apologies but the indication from your posts you refer to, and the one saying that Sheffield pisses on Hull (or words to that effect) was that you were criticising a city you've never been to.

As I said in a previous post, I wholeheartedly agree that all cities have good and bad areas.

Having lived in both Hull and on the outskirts (Beverley and Cottingham) I would happily move back to any of them - compared to where I live now they would seem like Kensington!!!

 

Saying that Sheffield pisses on Hull isn't really insulting Hull. It simply implies Sheffield is a better place. If my boss gave me the option of moving to one or the other, I know which I'd choose straight away. If my mates gave me the option of one or the other for a night out, again it would be Sheffield. If my missus wanted a romantic weekend away...I'd choose Paris.

 

Don't dismiss it till you've tried it Lesta

I recently went to Sheffield for the first time in years and was surprised - I used to go regularly and it used to be a right hole. It's certainly better than it used to be.

 

I probably would if it was remotely local. I mean, I have been out for a night in Mansfield...

 

Just the one???

 

The say "don't knock it until you try it". Now I'm officially qualified to knock it.

 

Like has been said - good and bad places in every city. Have only by-passed Hull apart from 1 visit to Boothferry back in the 70s. Didnt last in the memory, so couldnt have been extreme one way or the other. It is people who make places what they are. Some very reasonable Hull people on the forums, and quite frankly, some cheesy knob heads. This is probably only noticeable cos of the large volume of members Hull have on not 606. As for Sheffield - if it wasnt for a plain clothes copper, would have been stabbed at Hillsborough. Just shows that a single event can taint an opinion about a place. Leicester has good and bad just like every other place.
The thing that all 3 cities have in common is that industry has declined and affected them all, and the consequences that follow.

 

What was your price increase this season (if there was one).

£390 mine was. (position wise, it's basically the director's box but at the opposite side of the pitch so it's not a bad price really)

Paul McShane's hairdo, but that's not important right now.

I think the issue there is that in most places the areas we're talking about would be considered as part of the city because they've grown into each other, but due to council boundaries they're not. I lived in Hull and went to school in the East Riding. The main reason for going to that school was it having a VIth Form, but it was also nearer to my house than the school I should have gone to. In other places you can be walking down the street and move from one council to another without knowing it, where the only thing to tell you is a sign on the central reservation (how many pedestrians look there?).

 

People consider West Bridgford, one of the nicer towns in Nottinghamshire, to be part of the city just because it's over the other side of Trent Bridge and the City Ground and cricket club are there. But it's not. The people who live there (including Ken Clarke) certainly wouldn't want it to be considered part of the city, nor would the County Council that takes such pride in the place. But the people who live in Nottingham always bring it up as a counter argument in a "Nottingham is ****" conversation. If it's not part of it, it's not part of it.

Personally, the presence of the City Ground makes the place very undesirable in my book, especially as I spent four years looking at it from my office window.

 

Hull must have improved. 2003 it was voted crap town of the UK. Luton took the "honour" the year after

 

Voted? Or just written about by a couple of students who apologised and admitted they'd never been?

Did you get a good view of the game from your seat in Box 44?

 

In 2005 Hull was voted the worst place to live in Britain in a Channel 4 poll.

The city council was designated as the UK's worst performing authority in both 2004 and 2005.

In October 2006 the Hull police force was named (jointly with Northamptonshire Police) as the worst-performing police force in the United Kingdom, based on data released from the Home Office.

I think these things didn't helped Hull's image. I understand there has been investment and significant attempts by the city's authorities to improve things since then, but it's very hard to shake an image once it's implanted into the public consciousness.

 

Blimey, time really does stand still in Leicester doesn't it.

It's that long since anyone's been daft enough to drag out these old clips, I've forgotten the detail for the standard responses. In the Chanel Four one, I recall the presenters having to admit they'd ballsed up and publish a revised more accurate version.

Oh and there is no "Hull" Police to come top, or bottom of anything, although the local plod do tend to make Closeau look like Sherlock Holmes. The worrying thing there is that people scoring too low in the test to get into our local Police can still use that self and same result to get into forces in other areas!!

Come on, I know people on here aren't too bright, but don't make it so easy for people to think you're that thick.

 

So you're presented with facts which you dismiss offhand but it's others that are thick.

Regarding the Channel 4 doc, the cock up you're referring to was that they included stats from cities and surrounding towns, but from what I've read on here, the areas surrounding Hull would probably have brought you're rating up - and Hull was still bottom. Besides, it was the same for all places - Nottingham and Mansfield were both in the bottom 10, but Mansfield's stats were used for Nottingham too.

The police force was Humberside Police, as I'm sure you're aware. Their main area of operation is Hull, which I'm also sure you are aware of.

2004-06 isn't that long ago, certainly not in terms of how quickly local authorities move. Hull might not be bottom of these lists now but I doubt it's shot to the top of any of them in six years either. There's not been that much development I am sure.

 

...or Stoke. Don't forget about Stoke. I lived there for a year and it scarred me for life.

I hate Stoke. And Luton.

 

The guy is making a new book - save your arguments until then http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/jun/15/crap-towns-scorn-worst-britain

BTW I remember having a read of the crap towns book when Hull were voted 1 - for the record Leicester was number 20.