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Is scottish football about to show absolute corruption?

Discussion in 'Celtic' started by Albatross, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Moderator Staff Member

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    We did it aye but we might have sn excuse.
     
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  2. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    That's not the rules though...3-0 defeat for every game infringed...titles and let's not forget relegation are by products of these results, so even if you don't want it, you might just get stuck with 12 in a row
     
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  3. Bib Fortuna's Maw

    Bib Fortuna's Maw Well-Known Member

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    Iisn't a punishment - if someone steals from you, giving it back or having it confiscated isn't a punishment - a further fine, com service or jail time is.

    If they lose the titles, it's just righting a wrong.

    I'm fed up of it too, to be honest and I don't believe the SPL or the SFA have the cojones to do anything.

    I don't want the titles but, if they aren't removed, breaking rules will have been rewarded - absolutely no one, not even AJ bumping his fanny has contested guilt - just the process and the probable outcome.

    The full offensive is on. They are hoaching the media just now and the SPL are feeling a lot of heat but, undoubtedly, the main mistake they made was trying to pleabargain to keep them in a high-ish division.

    I expect hee haw to happen and idiots to use that outcome to justify bullshit and bluster for the next 30 year's.

    They're guilty as **** - but my breath is far from held.
     
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  4. Rustie bugmuncher

    Rustie bugmuncher Well-Known Member

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    the problem is that they actually cannot admit they have done anything wrong. almost to a man they have repeated whatever rubbish has came out of murray or traynor's mouth without question. I a bored with hearing that ebt's were not illegal. They were only legal if it was actually a loan and expected to be paid back. Rangers offered these loans as part of the players salary and it was not expected to be paid back. Hence HMRC claiming the unpaid tax against them. The SPL is only interested in the dual contracts and if these were actually used. If they are found guilty of this there can be no other punishment but the stripping of titles. My own personal view is that they should be left blank. This will further dilute the myth that this is a celtic driven agenda
     
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  5. Patience

    Patience Spastic Arab

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    This guy must live on Planet of the Apes.
     
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  6. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    I really cant see any merit in years being left blank, Im not aware of any precedent in sport for dealing with the issue in that way, however, if anyone knows of precedent I am willing to put on my orthopedic shoes and stand corrected.
     
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  7. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    In light of the recent statement issued by the SPL citing the terms of reference of the Commission appointed to explore the activities of Rangers Football Club, let me, at the outset, emphasize that I am not concerned about the impartiality of the learned gentlemen who will adjudicate on this matter. I am, however, more wary as to the directives that have been provided to them by the SPL which in itself is constituted by competitors of the Club who have a vested interest in the outcome of the proceedings. (So the SPL have a vested interest and the investigation should therefore be treated with suspicion? Who else was going to launch an investigation, The Italian league or should we just let sleeping dogs lie eh??

    “Rangers” are “Rangers” notwithstanding the legal nuances caused by the application of various bankruptcy laws. The heritage and records of the Club rest with the institution that is “Rangers,” and no amount of self-serving diatribe to the contrary, no matter how relentlessly pursued, can rewrite history. (Tell that to Charles Green then, he seems to be of the opinion that this Rangers are not the same Rangers)

    However, I still remain bothered by the fact that the focus and isolation of Rangers and its adoption of EBT’s conveniently avoids exposing and evaluating a much broader principle embraced by the SPL rules and regulations. If the fundamental issue is a deficiency in furnishing information about overall player compensation, the Commission’s mandate should allow it to investigate and extract testimony under oath as to the utilization by all clubs of the concept of multi-contracts separating wages for playing football from other services. (In other words "Whitaboot everybody else?" Well call me a stickler but I don't recall any other club being investigated by HMRC.)

    Rangers made absolutely no attempt to disguise or deny their adoption, and they were fully disclosed in the annual reports and independently certified financial statements. What is galling, however, is the fact that it was not unusual for representatives of Rangers to openly discuss activation of EBT’s with their opposite numbers at other clubs during the era under investigation.
    (A simply unbelievable attempt to shift the blame elsewhere by attempting to say somebody grassed Rangers up- despite us telling them all our dirty wee secrets)

    A verdict that Rangers essentially did not in fact adhere to stipulated procedures, does not warrant capital punishment. (No Mr Johnston, Capital Punishment would be expulsion from the SFA and therefore from Scottish Football completely, but why not try and spin it to make it appear that stripping of trophies is the worst possible punishment, everyone else is)
     
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  8. Bib Fortuna's Maw

    Bib Fortuna's Maw Well-Known Member

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    The Highland League has a blank year with an asterisk - I'd much rather that it just said CHEATS - witheld ya bas
     
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  9. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    I stand corrected
     
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  10. Super hooper

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    This time last year one of the many Rangers bright sparks described the Rangers wrong doing as the same as working on the
    double, or getting a wee job done in the evenings and paying cash no questions asked. He claimed we were all the same.

    I have been giving the situation of Rangers and Sevco my full attention over the last few weeks. It appears Rangers are guilty
    of double contracts. If that is the case, is it not Rangers who should be punished ? But there is no Rangers, yet I cannot see how
    Rangers? Sevco can get off Scot free. Of course all titles that were won whilst the fraud was running must be stripped. In
    addition I think I have come up with a novel idea to threat the novel situation that Rangers by their actions created. The fact
    that Sevco were allowed to buy Murray Park and Ibrox for £1.5 m when a year previously Murray had these properties valued at
    £121m. Surely Sevco did not pay a true market price for Ibrox and Murray Park. My idea is to ban any professional football from
    been played in Ibrox for the same number of years as the double contract/EBTs ran. Murray Park and Ibrox can be given over to
    a newly set-up charity which uses these premises during school hours to coach and develop school children from all Glasgow schools.
    In the evenings green and white buses ( sorry I mean buses donated by Mr Green and Mr Whyte) can be used to transport the neds
    and the young girls who are hanging around with nothing good to do. These buses can be followed by unmarked police cars, whose
    occupants have batons, to encourage the idlers to get on the buses. These people are taken to Murray Park and Ibrox and coached
    and trained physically, so finally some good may come out of Murray Park and Ibrox. The people of Glasgow and beyond could maybe
    feel Rangers/Sevco had paid back something to society.
     
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