For arguments sake lets say that they are found guilty of dual contracts, but titles and trophies are not stripped, then Scottish football would be absolutely corrupt. A club had fielded ineligible players, players they could not have fielded had the dual contracts not existed. The said club would have had an unfair advantage. The said club would be guilty of cheating. By not removing titles and trophies the clubs is being REWARDED for cheating. They have won by illegal mean, yet unlike every other sport and this one, the JUVENTUS case, believe that cheating cannot be rewarded, yet in Scotland, cheating would be rewarded. JUVENTUS as a club and their fans refuse the acknowledge the removal of the titles. So what? UEFA and the Italian FA and fans of other clubs recognise the reallocation of the titles stripped. That is what is important. Ben Johnston still claims his OGM but no one else recognises it. MSM claim that the rfc players did not cheat. So what ? The Sion players did not cheat, but they were ALL thrown out of Europe that season. What about the players, fans and relatives of the clubs who would have been cheated. The MSM are playing a dangerous game by claiming that titles should not be stripped, for UEFA may well intervene,, since it was they who ordered the stripping of titles from JUVENTUS. Precedence is there.
The fact it went on for 10 years and was done on purpose, (funny how they were all registered properly before and after), means there can be no leniency.
Rangers will lose the titles awarded to them whilst they cheated. They will be awarded to the teams that won them legitimately.
To be honest, I'm bored to **** with all this and I don't want their titles. The beelathon's being amusing but I'll be glad when we have something else to talk about.
My sentiments exactly,RB, however the danger is that MSM have already started a concerted campaign claiming that this will NOT happen. The problem here is that they are raising expectations of the hordes, who have issued more threats to a STV reporter today for a John Terry comment, that to strip the titles would be unfair. Glasgow could become another Manchester. MSM should remember the type of people they are appealing to. They should show a responsible attitude and forewarn these people that title stripping is a strong possibility.
I don't want them either, but c'mon it will be funny as **** to see the beel. Rangers media will probably make my computer explode with all the rage. Who knows we may even see a few serious signatures on the petition.
They should null the titles. Leave them blank in the history books. And when anyone asks, they get told the story about the huns cheating bastard ways. #danceontheirgrave
There is no other outcome. It is utterly inevitable. They can cry and whine and bitch all they like. The meeja can pretend not to understand but that is what is gonna happen. I understand that, but I want whatever is coming to us. We'll never get the moments they stole. I accept that. The best team playing within the rules should be recorded as the champion. If that is us or QOTS, so be it. But thieves should never keep their spoils.
Agreed of course we take the titles off them and award them to the runner up's, but how hollow will it be going for 12/13 in a row?
Maybe we just think differently. I dont really celebrate "in a row" rather what we have just won. The "in a row" stuff is for the records and i'd blow my hole about that all day long.
I tend to agree, I would like to see the record reflected to show that no one won those titles and I don't really care if Celtic were second. The conspiracy theories we have had to put up with so far are nothing short of astonishing, I find it incredible that there are people out there who believe this is some sort of Catholic vs Protestant holy war, with Rangers FC representing Richard The Lionheart, John Knox, King Billy and Winston Churchill all rolled into one. If that's whjat's being said just now imagine the ridiculous outpouring that would ensue should Rangers's trophies given to Celtic? If Rangers broke the rules then they should receive whatever punishment is seen fit, I have a sneaking feeling that a way will be found to get around stripping of actual trophies, I may be wrong but i'm not going to start counting my chickens just yet. Do I personally think the trophies shold be stripped if they are guilty of what we have been told? Yes. Will the SFA and SPL actually have the balls to act corrrectly? Not so sure.
Totally agree.. if Rangers are found guilty of cheating, the trophy/title should be made blank - not awarded to those who finished second/lost the final.
Taken from rangers media, a statement from alistair johnston. Pretty much deflect and an attempt to win favour with the rangers fans. The bit in bold though looks like an admission of guilt. In light of the recent statement issued by the SPL citing the terms of reference of the Commission appointed to explore the activities of Rangers Football Club, let me, at the outset, emphasize that I am not concerned about the impartiality of the learned gentlemen who will adjudicate on this matter. I am, however, more wary as to the directives that have been provided to them by the SPL which in itself is constituted by competitors of the Club who have a vested interest in the outcome of the proceedings. By convening a Commission composed of eminent members of the legal profession, it is no surprise that formalities are being expounded upon which would make the eyes of the average Rangers stakeholder glaze over. The ponderous tone alternating the focus between “Oldco” and “Newco” are, in my opinion, a distraction from what really matters. “Rangers” are “Rangers” notwithstanding the legal nuances caused by the application of various bankruptcy laws. The heritage and records of the Club rest with the institution that is “Rangers,” and no amount of self-serving diatribe to the contrary, no matter how relentlessly pursued, can rewrite history. However, I still remain bothered by the fact that the focus and isolation of Rangers and its adoption of EBT’s conveniently avoids exposing and evaluating a much broader principle embraced by the SPL rules and regulations. If the fundamental issue is a deficiency in furnishing information about overall player compensation, the Commission’s mandate should allow it to investigate and extract testimony under oath as to the utilization by all clubs of the concept of multi-contracts separating wages for playing football from other services. Compensation in a variety of forms whereby players participate financially in the license of their image rights to the club should especially be investigated as “image rights” come in a variety of guises. For example, a player can be given proceeds from the sale of the club top featuring his name, often under a separate negotiation with the kit supplier, or be provided with a car by a sponsor for appearing in an advertisement. Anyone with any knowledge of the process would testify to the fact that agents representing a foreign player joining a club in the UK will usually introduce the possibility of this segregation which is designed to mitigate the income tax liability of his client. The dilemma in these circumstances replicates that of the adoption of EBT’s. If the club files notification of this arrangement to the SPL, then it strongly suggests that it directly relates to signing with the club in order to play football for its team, thereby nullifying to a greater extent the theory behind an “image rights” contract designed to avoid standard taxes. If it doesn’t supply this information to the authorities, it finds itself in the predicament that has befallen Rangers because of its use of EBT’s. The principle is the same. I also remain apprehensive that the guidance with respect to the penalties that could be applied on Rangers will be imposed on the Commission by vested interests in the SPL. Transparency here is fundamental. Justice must be served, but the punishment must fit the crime. Use of EBT schemes were broadly adopted by a variety of businesses during the era prior to them being specifically outlawed by designated legislation introduced only a couple of years ago. Also, as has been widely reported, Rangers made absolutely no attempt to disguise or deny their adoption, and they were fully disclosed in the annual reports and independently certified financial statements. What is galling, however, is the fact that it was not unusual for representatives of Rangers to openly discuss activation of EBT’s with their opposite numbers at other clubs during the era under investigation. I suspect that the Commission will not pursue this avenue of investigation, but it would be interesting whether or not “selective amnesia” would be exhibited by those Executives/Directors called to testify under oath about their ongoing familiarity with the Rangers scheme. It is ironic to reflect on the fact that the longer they maintained strategic silence on these conversations, the more extensive the number of titles that could be stripped if and when the opportunity arose subsequently to neutralize the successes that were earned by Rangers on the pitch. At the end of the day, whatever misdemeanor could be validly charged to Rangers, surely it was a breach of procedure, not “cheating” or financial doping. The eminent members of the Commission must ask themselves – what were the real, not fabricated, consequences of Rangers not registering the information on EBT’s directly with the SPL. On the contrary, what actions would have been taken by the SPL at the time if all the detail of the EBTS, the total of which was reported annually in public accounts, had been submitted in a timely form. I genuinely suspect that the compliance officer would have reviewed the documents, ticked the important boxes that dealt with the players status and then routinely filed them for posterity. The Commission hearing this case must consider the real impact of any default. A verdict that Rangers essentially did not in fact adhere to stipulated procedures, does not warrant capital punishment.
Just heard Mr Green wants Rangers re- instated in the Ramsden cup , the queen of the south goalie was on a dual contract, one as a footballer the other as a plumber !!!
http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=239133 The nuclear option has went off. Talk about a bombshell being dropped on the zombies.
I didn't read the whole statement, but think I got the jist of it. Their gripe is that 'self serving' people are having too much influence on the decision and or punishment. Null and void the titles, problem solved.
