That's all very well but this job is far too big for the likes of someone like Tisdale! We go and appoint someone like him only to find that he will soon be out of his depth.
interesting to see warky say the job is 'too big' for tisdale. is that because you think ipswich are 'too big' or because the mess you're in is 'too big'? just asking for clarification
ok, thanks. so why do you say that warky? personally, i'd say a club like ipswich is the next logical step up for a promising young manager like tisdale. fits into your clubs ethos (if that still exists) - has a philosophy which he sticks to - plays good, passing football (best football i've seen outside the top two divisions). astute in the transfer market, knows the lower leagues like the back of his hand, been very successful with back to back promotions and keeping his club up against all the odds, recently faced a difficult season, ending in relegation but already learning from it and has his side bouncing back strongly again. has a wonderful selection of headwear... what's not to like?!! would it be a risk? of course it would! any change you make would be a risk because your club is in trouble but he's the sort of guy who your club should be looking at, someone with a long term plan. you should have appointed sean o'driscoll who would have been absolutely perfect for your club, but you've missed the boat with that one. i'm surprised you think he would find the ipswich job too big for him, but you seem very firmly in the 'give it to mccarthy' camp which i totally understand to be fair. wouldn't be my choice though. i think you'd carry on treading water under him. i'm not advocating you should get tisdale in particular but someone of his ilk. you have to ask yourself the question - do you want another firefighter or do you run the risk of maybe dropping down a league (which wouldn't be a foregone conclusion, just as a firefighter wouldn't guarantee survival) but building under a youthful manager with fresh ideas and impetus. i'd choose the latter, but just my opinion
For a budgie that is one of the best assessments of Ipswich Town, (possibly better than some of our own fans) I hate the fact that O'Driscoll has got himself a job at Forrest as I was very much campaigning for him before we got Jewell, like you say the guy is perfect for us! (Plus we may have actually ended up with Billy Sharp after all) and the idea of McCarthy strikes me as the same as when we appointed Jewell... Not a wow signing but an understandable one, a younger manager is surely the way forward, however we have no idea what is happening at this club and therefore anything we suggest is simply guesswork
Completely agree Superman. I understand JWM's thought that we are in a rut and therefore need someone experienced to turn it around part of me does feel that way because the lack of resiliance in our squad is a major concern i.e we have a good core set of young players, who on there day are capable of beating anyone in the division but confidence is an issue and if things go against us we just collapse and therefore it concerns me that we need an experienced man to come in and change this to stop the rut, so therefore someone like Tisdale would be a risk and he may not turn it around straight away. I have to say I would prefer us to appoint someone like Tisdale than McCarthy and get relegated but stick with him and re group!! I really do not want us to get relegated and I'm not one of those who thinks it would do us good but if we appoint the right manager and stick by him I would prefer that. But I do think we have a good enough team to get out of this situation, we just need some resilience which comes in the form of positive results but also leadership on the pitch!!
Ever since I saw Ian Holloway whip off his commando hat, hurl it to the floor, jump about waving his arms, pick up the hat and dust it off only to repeat the process five minutes later Iâve wanted a manager with hats. Appoint Tisdale, I say.
I would be happy to have someone like Tisdale IF the club wasn't in such a bloody mess! Why take the risk just now when what we need is for the ship to be steadied and then make progress through being solid and organised. Mick McCarthy would be my perfect choice for the now! Yes longer term lets get in a younger manager but I feel that our present situation needs a wiser older head that's been there and done it before. McCarthy I know is not everyones cup of tea but he has done well everywhere he's been and he did get a very mediocre Wolves team promoted and he kept them up. There are comparisons with Jewell but the biggest difference is that McCarthy hasn't been out of football for yonks and he knows how to build teams on a strict budget and above all he builds his teams to be solid. Now I for one would love to be able to chant 1-0 to the Tractorboys as opposed to bemoaning the fact that we were better BUT...we still lose! McCarthy for me is the sensible and pragmatic choice in the circumstances that we face. No unkown quantity and you know what you're getting! Stable, solid and above all he will come with a plan and not talk endless bollocks!
I appreciate your point of view JWM as you clearly have a point, he will bring in experience and know how I just think your point of "Yes longer term lets get in a younger manager" is one that poses a big question of would Mick come in if he felt he was only a short term fix and would we have the stones to bring him in and then let him go as we haven't been trigger happy with managers in the past and I personally feel now is the perfect time for a complete change of recruitment style and give someone the freedom to develop the team however much of a risk it is
Fair point KOPR, I would give McCarthy a 3 year deal based on a 3 year plan of steady improvements to be made yoy and by the end of year 3 ultimately finishing up in the Premiership. It certainly wouldn't be beyond his capabilities in getting us there in that time frame. The nucleus of a good side is there and he knows all about defending and this is the main area that's causing us nighmares. Give him 3 years and then see where we are by the end and I honestly believe that we would be promoted.
to be fair, i do like mick mccarthy. do i think he's the right man for your job when (not if) it comes up? not sure. as i say, i think it would mean a bit more treading water. but i do understand the logic behind warky wanting him. you'd probably see an early charge up the table before levelling off and sitting about 15th/16th. now that could be viewed as a good thing seeing as you currently sit 23rd in the table! if you appointed a tisdale, hill, robinson (could be a good fit), or someone like that, would you have that early charge which saves your bacon this year? possibly not, but improvement would probably be more steady and consistent over a longer period of time and give you a better platform and more importantly a sodding plan to follow! i asked last year: what's the plan at your club? not one of you were able to tell me. i find that a little shambolic to be honest. i still don't think there is one. i went to your game at the weekend and despite a bright opening fifteen minutes i thought you looked ragged. the team is clearly short of confidence (as were charlton by the way) but other than jason scotland there wasn't much fight. i said to my friend 'whoever scores first will win this comfortably' - ok, it didn't quite end up being that comfortable for charlton but that was only down to a freak goal getting you guys back into it. quite why jewell hasn't been fired i don't know - its glaringly obvious he is not going to turn you around, and if he does it will only be short term. the fans in the ground know it, the players know it and i think jewell himself knows it. you've got a chance to resurrect the club from its foundations up but i don't think your owner knows how to do that. more importantly, i'm not sure he wants to, as if he appoints a younger, lower league manager, he won't get the same media attention a big-name manager brings to his 'brand'. thats' why i think you're more likely to get a mccarthy or redknapp (can't see it happening myself but stranger things have happened) over a tisdale or robinson.
Col u mike lives! From the comments section below BBC article on wards sacking Comment number 4.colu_mike 2 Hours ago Fantastic news, absolutely BUZZING! John Ward was the worst thing to happen to the club for YEARS. One win in twenty two matches, the worst start to a league campaign in our history. Cowling must go back to appointing young talented ambitious managers that can take the club forwards even if they don’t stick around as long as a mediocre manager might.
Good sensible points Superman All I am saying is that the situation we find ourselves in now reminds me very much of 2001/02 when Burley was under pressure and much to my horror he was fired. Sheepshanks decided on getting Joe Royle in and for 3 seasons in a row we were in the play-offs or competing for them. We have come to the moment now where Evans has to make a huge decision which will have big ramifications for us if he gets it wrong. McCarthy for me is very much in the Joe Royle mould, a football man through and through with a no nonsense approach. By god we need someone like this to sort the club out and give him 3 years in which to do it. This just isn't the time for a relatively young inexperienced manager to step in. The stakes now are too high because without change we are heading into League 1.
yep, see your point. thing is, joe royle, although his hands were tied and he had a fat potato head, had a good base of players to utilise. he was also a very good manager, very underrated. is mick mccarthy as good? nah, not for me. change will come - it has to - but even change may not prevent you slipping into the league below. still early days though, plenty of time to turn things around but you've got no strength in depth at all. scratch that - you've got no depth, regardless of strength! its a difficult job at the moment so i totally understand why you feel an experienced manager is essential. my point is that your slide has been progressive over a long period of time and any immediate turn around will probably only be short term. you can't just do a 180 on the titanic. it takes time and time is not something your new manager will have if they are a bigger name. it'll be a tricky appointment, that's for sure.
Whoever comes in Supers will need a hell of a lot of luck that's for sure and to be honest it must be one of the least attractive managers job in football right now! The Town manager's job used to be highly prized now it's become a poisened challice!
Anyone that mentions either a "x" year plan / Operation Premiership / or any other ficticious unachieveable big bag of idea bollocks then they should be made to peel their own skin off. We'll be lucky to get Ron Manager in let alone a proper football manager. We're a ****ing laughing stock thanks to ME & Clegg not having a ****ing clue. Jewell, for sticking around (greedy repugnant **** manager) and us for not protesting. I wish they would all just **** off. I don't care if we get relegated. Stuff it all, let's do a Pompey. I want OUR club back. Evans may own it but it's not his club IT'S OURS!!! And I want it back.
