No. Come on you must realise yoriu arguing for the sake of it now? You think that in one of the most fiercely competitive markets in the country that it is possible to get every single company to agree to go against there customers and say we will not be apart of the equality accreditations? This is an industry worth billions and billions a year. Yes it would be lovely if the real world worked just like your head where everyone agrees and does the right thing. But in reality people dont have that luxury. The ONLY way that it will change is if the government organisations remove it from the Tendering process. This is just reality.
Facilities Management is where a company will run basic services for other business or organisations including cleaning, gardening, maintenance, security, reception, mailroom services etc etc..... It's basically the process of taking anything that isn't part of a companies main service so they are able to focus on there key competency rather than worrying about the management of there building, or the cleaners etc....
I'm sure in your day black people weren't aloud to sit at the front of the bus Cym!!! I do think that with cricket and rugby though it is more down to a lack of interest rather than any racism blocking out there entry into the sport. As i said with Rugby i was involved to a decent level at a young age and there where plenty of opportunities for black people but they just werent interested.
Yeah there are some interesting characters in the Industry Although i'm sure thats the same all around. The thing with FM is most people don't go into it by choice but end up falling into it by chance
This is related to football and more. Obi Mikel was the recent victim of racist tweets, something that's become a common occurrence for players on the twitterverse. Now with all of these cases of racism, there's always been massive outrage, as well as shock. And this get's me thinking, do people live in a bubble? I'm not saying there shouldn't be outrage at all this racism, but what gets to me is how people are so shocked and surprised at such abuse that's happening over the internet, I mean really, where have these people been living? Some bubble in Narnia? Racist bigoted vile comments over the internet is common place standard procedure, just go on youtube, and read the comment section of those videos. With the click of a button, you can find open neo-nazi videos with hundreds of pro nazi comments, racist videos against immigrants with commentary and the list goes on. And more to the point, this isn't only happening on the internet, but many many many fans hold bigoted racist views, and do express these views on several occasions, whether it's been at the stadium, or the pub. Most fans who belong to modern hooligan firms, or what do they call themselves, the casuals, are some of the biggest bigoted racist **** heads out there, with links to far right groups, who call on these ****s for street soldiers when needed, heck, look no further than the EDL, they claim to be non-racist, but just visit their facebook pages to see how their members comment on blacks and none whites, and many of those ****s are footy fans who attend games. I remember a few seasons back, I was at a local pub to watch United-Chelsea in the UCL, United were playing away, and I live in Chelsea (yes, shocking) and I'm like a 15-20 minute walk away from Stamford bridge, so the local pub had a set of United supporters, and not London United supporters, but actual Mancunians, they were what you'd call members of a firm, as i could see them having a discussion with a Chelsea fan arranging something, and the Chelsea fan was telling them Chelsea fans were waiting for them down the road, basically anyone who knows anything about firms, know how that works, and how they arrange the fights with each other, and I was actually witnessing them do it. But the main point to this is not their arrangement, but how these ****s acted during the game. The pub had some foreigners, this is Chelsea, so there's a lot of foreigners in the area, lot's of mainland Europeans, Spanish, Eastern Europeans etc live there, and so when Chelsea scored, Chelsea fans celebrated, including their foreign supporters, and then the **** United fan started telling the guy in a very intimidating and violent way, to **** off, and why does he care? He's not English, it's not his country, I couldn't believe what I was hearing, but his views weren't unique, the whole group of those ****s were like that, with another one of the ****s telling a foreign lady to speak english, even though she was speaking English, but with an accent as she was Spanish I believe. All the while I was thinking, you dumb ****ing thick headed ****, you do realise your manager isn't English, and that most of your players aren't English, including your star players? For ****s sake, YOU'RE NOT EVEN OWNED BY AN ENGLISHMAN YOU DUMB THICK HEADED RACIST ****. Now you have A LOT of supporters like this in the game, these ****ers aren't unique, there are a lot of d--k heads like these in football, in the stadiums, at the pubs etc. So all this racist bigoted sh!t we see shouldn't come as a surprise, this is the reality, it's not the exception, this stuff is the norm, people need to get out of their little bubble. This sh!t exists at large in society, and in our beautiful game too. In England, this sh!t is more quiet and under the surface when it comes to football, but it's not like it's been exterminated, or isn't there.
HighburyGhost = Totally clueless The colour of your skin does not automatically make you an expert on anything as your comments on here clearly prove. AFCFTW, you are 100% correct old chum. don't let the buggers silence you Just saying.
Not to throw a hot potato but I agree with affirmative action in reality, in principle you always hope the most qualified gets the job but the reality is different not only because of institutionalised raciscm but also because of historical racism. I do believe it is a far bigger issuer in the US than UK but to act as if it doesn't exist is naive. To use afcftw point about not many black players 20-30 years ago meaning realistically not many managers can be applied to all walks I would substitute less black players for lower levels of education, income, health, employment and help to minorities (race, releigion, sex and sexuality) when the first wave of immigration happened in the 50s and 60s also to a lesser extent in the 70s and 80s this has led to lower economic prosperity in the minorities which obviously lead into 2nd and 3rd generations. Affiramative action is an attempt to re-address the balance it is not a perfect system but I do believe it is one that is required to help. It is all well and good to say that everything should be fair but when one side has an advantage for centuries a re-address has to happen, it usually gets skewed in the other perspective but you hope in time it sorts it self out. Yes it can be potentially be unfair to the majority but every major social change has to effect someone. This is not a race divide issue alone hear in India we have AA in all public sector jobs called reservations for the Dalit Community - Historically the lowest Caste in Indian society it is something needed to not only help the community by the only true form of freedom - economic but also to raise social awareness for both the powerful communities that problems exist but also as an encouragement to the effected communities that opportunities do exist and they will be encouraged. Personally I come from a very good family in India and I moved to the UK when i was 11 for 14 years (with no issues) so I can't truly say I have felt discrimination in any capacity but I am not blind to the fact it does exist in all walks of life and business the world over and some balancing force is required. Affirmative Action is not perfect but it is definitely better than having nothing in place. Personally I would focus on providing more education (both vocational and academic), health benefits to communities while attempting integration through social programs (killing of lack of information and awareness on both sides would one of the biggest improvements in societal harmony)
Some really interesting views and comments in this thread. I agree with Cyms original issue in that the house of commons being an elitist group of decision makers trying to find a solution to racism in football when their old boys club needs a complete revamp to allow ethnic minorities the chance to make it in parliament. As for racism in football well I have always said football is the sport that reflects the feelings of society more than any other sport. Now I'm not saying society as a whole is overtly racist but these feelings are magnified in football. Some people go to games just to let off steam and to them letting off steam is hurling abuse racist or not at the players on the pitch. Racism in football exists because FIFA allow it to. I can think of many measures which could be put in place to stop or prevent it but as long as FIFA have such a relaxed stance to the issue then we will continue to see racism in football for many years to come.
I think government's past efforts to increase the number of women MP's tells us all we need to know about them.
Cheers matey Although this has been a good debate,i think we did move away from my original point.I still say football does not need an elitist clique questioning the way it is run
While I get your point I think we have to accept that every single person in the world is a hypocrite in some capacity on the other. If they raise a fair point you argue the merits of the point. I have been told my whole life you never attack the person or their conclusion always their assumptions and I know genuinely believe that is the right way to go about it. Saying they are racist is not a valid response to their accusation of racism in football. I feel most including yourself have argued the merits of the various issues raised but I just wanted to point out that this is something I Know inherently disagree with as I feel it really leads no where.
Just seen on the news about obi mikel receiving racist abuse from his own fans after his mistake against Juve. There is something very wrong with that club called Chelsea.
COYG, if you actually had a point and could refute or challenge anything I actually wrote you can go ahead an enlighten us, otherwise you just look a prat.
