The Argyle Player site was down.. so no idea what was going on..just the result.. Disappointment me thinks..
Put it this way Away In BC there should be an advert in the situations vacant ..... wanted a manager for Plymouth Argyle ..... I personally don't think Fletcher has a clue, take last Saturday we threw the lead away and what does Fletcher do .... stand by the dugout arms crossed as per normal totally and utterly silent .... no shouting instructions .... no getting passionate .... when things arn't working he doesn't seem to have a clue how to change things ..... its a year tomorrow since he became manager ... I personally would like tomorrow to be his last day as manager as well !
Fletcher reminds me of myself many years ago...i worked on the factory floor for years ..Management asked me to move up to the office to manage.. A huge difference i found..i lasted 6 months.. Fletcher has had one year of management..It's time for him to go back to the factory floor..
Not on our factory floor.......he hasn't got the legs anymore........personally he's surplus to our requirements.....good bye Carl.....decent enough chap, but put in a position that he couldn't really refuse....seeing that his playing career was coming to an end. Peter Ridsdale looking for the cheap option promotes him to (temporay ? ) manager....he was on Championship money so it wasn't that cheap. Ridsdale moves on and James Brent makes his first mistake by giving Fletcher the job fulltime,although he hadn't proved in anyway that he could do the job.....that caught a lot of people by surprise. I am sure that James Brent hasn't built his business empire by not being able to make the tough decisions when necessary......Mr Brent you have to make a tough decision now before this season is completely in the trash can......a new manager.... that can do the job is necessary and you need to pay top bucks to get him......this squad is not as bad as it seems to be......it just needs an experienced man in charge.
Right here goes then and trying to be objective rather than just plain disappointed. Argyle started the match looking like a bun ch of complete amatuers. The first 20 minutes the writing was on the wall for a hiding although Rovers failed to create much in front of goal and to be fair never really looked like scoring. I was told that Argyle looked just like they did on Saturday second half. We took the lead and god knows how because although we had started to come back into the match we still were pants. Second half and it was much the same as the first. Instead of going on to score another the inevitable happened and we let in a soft simple goal. We huffed and puffed about the pitch but to be honest it never looked like happening and another 2 points went up in smoke. Fletcher did nothing very much but stand around by the dugout as is described by Gat above. The players didn't particularly show much passion and the bookings were a bit of a mystery in some cases because it wasn't a case of busting a gut and getting anything wrong. The Ref was pants as was the game. I can easily see why both teams are down the bottom and the league is beginning to have a familiar look of last season about it. Argyle really look clueless at times. The only bright spot for me was that Madjo looked a reasonable player and he did try hard. Decent control and brought others in. Fletcher still couldn't start with a 4 - 4 - 2 by the look of it. Looked more 4 - 4 - 1 - 1. We are at home to a team second from bottom and still he persists in a lone striker at the start. I am beginning to fear for the season and we are only at the start. Don't be fooled that we have more points than last season. We aren't going to get a load of new faces this time and it is this squad that are looking poor. As a spectacle I would give this no more than 4 on a generous day.
The worry sensible is that the squad looks poor because they are poor, or because the manager is poor. If Fletcher is just leaning against the superior type dug-out showing no passion.....how do the players respond to that attitude.....maybe they are not up to it because they have been given no instruction to compete with changes that the opposition make to compensate for going one goal down......it's as if they haven't been told this scenario and how to proceed from there. Rovers changed to two up front to chase the game (so one report said) in the second half to pull back the goal they needed.....and reports say they could have won it near the end.......it seems Fletcher waited until the 86 minute before doing something similar. Well your back was goodenough to make the match......but has it relapsed after carrying Argyle for another 90 minutes last night...sensible.
I have to say plym that it is more a case of neither the manager nor the players being good enough. Not all of the players in fairness but too many of them. MacDonald for example did little for 90 minutes. He should be good enough so maybe for him it is the leadership. Young had another poor game and LeCointe was absent and did nothing. Perhaps in a year or two but at the moment not perhaps good enough. Hourihan is never that good despite he scored last night. He won't do many this season. Bashera was decent as was Williams and Berry. Purse was average and Blanchard wasn't exactly pulling up trees. I like Blanchard but he seems to have gone a bit backwards. Madjo did ok and looks reasonable. Cole was ok but no more than that. That was the starting line up. Cowan-Hall looked ok when he came on but far too late. He should have replaced LeCointe at half time. Nelson is ok most of the time when he plays but is young. Feeney cannot play up front on his own. Wotton has no legs left to be really effective but he does drive others and put in a shift. Griffith, Lowry are a bit unknown still but I have hopes for the former. And so on and so on. Fletcher has one plan it seems and one plan only. Larrieu is not an experienced second and I'm not sure what he brings to the table. Far too inexperienced the pair of them. Given the sum of the total it is not looking like we are going to be in anything but a dog fight this season once again. This is a start of term report and as I said previously I have tried to be objective rather than just knee jerk. Something has to change but I have doubts that the people involved have the capacity to change anything. I think we get around 2000 floating voters each game. This will not be maintained if things continue. It is no good Brent just sitting back and thinking the current situation is ok and there is nothing for him to do. He will feel it in his pocket if he does that. Either that or the fear he doesn't care will be shown up to be true. Would he let one of his hotels continue to fail or would he act. This is just as much one of his businesses as a hotel so lets see. Gut feeling by me is he will do nothing. I hope I'm wrong.
Trust you dont mind me intruding on your board but I think that when you support a particular team it's easy to become too self critical...I'm guilty of that as well. I attended the Argyle-Rovers match as a neutral (albeit with a grudging admiration for Argyle). I was fairly encouraged and I feel you should be as well. First of all I felt that the stadium had been tidied up to a degree. Secondly I thought that both teams played at a skill level much higher than I was expecting resulting in a very entertaining game. The game was helped, in my opinion, (probably not a popular one!) by a sensible referee, O.K. he made a few mistakes towards the end but he contributed to a fast, free flowing, end to end game. I thought that BR's just about edged it but a draw was a fair result. I thought that the support from the Devonport end was fantastic, they must have chanted "Green and White Barmy Army" for 20 mins at least I know nothing of Fletcher, I appreciate that he's not too popular with you guys but I felt that the fitness and commitment from Argyle was impressive, unfortunately Rovers matched that but it wasn't an abject performance by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe another manager might improve the tactics. Anyway I think that you'll finish comfortably above the relgation zone this time, my only reservation being that if the standard of football that I saw reflects Div 2 in general then there will be other well organised teams to contend with. I enjoyed my night out and will definitely be going again. Good luck and keep the faith, Milton
Milton always welcome and nice to hear an alternative opinion however for future reference please note than any kind of positive, constructive or non-depressive opinions along with all forms of logic are currently banned from this board Glad to hear you had a good night at HP and that maybe there is some hope for us. Just on a side note what is the feeling with you guys regarding your manager is everyone baying for his blood after 7 games?
Thanks for all your comments..and thank you Milton.. As i hum the tune from The good..The Bad and The Ugly..
Cheers mexijan, there is definitely hope for you. Re Nigel Adkins, not 606 attracts extreme opinions because, by definition, the people who contribute are passionate enough about their club to make contributions....so I guess if you go on our board there will be some dissenters but the overwhelming fanbase support Adkins...he certainly is a bright manager. In the few Premiership games so far he's shown some naivity in substitution tactics but he'll learn from that. I think we'll survive this year but it wont be the end of the world if we dont. Thats why we support the teams we do otherwise we'd all be supporting the Manchester teams (thats why I thought it was promissing that 6K turned up at HP when City were on the tele, compared with most other League 1 and 2 games that wasn't bad) Put it this way...I hope you aren't suggesting a straight swap for Mr Fletcher!
That comment is a bit unfair Mexijan. I am not one you can accuse of lacking optimism generally. I have supported almost everything Argyle for so long now and even in the darkest days tried to be positive. I don't agree with Milton's view. Everyone has an opinion and that is all it ever is. Milton's opinion is at odds with most of the ones I've heard and read as well as my own. I am maybe fed up with trying to put a brave face on things when I don't see anything happening to be brave about anymore. I don't want to think this way but when the water is flowing over the side of the boat and your arse gets wet then it might be time to think the boat is sinking and something needs to happen. Wait till it reaches your nostrils and it could be too late. Hope I'm wrong but by Christmas I firmly expect us to be in the bottom 4 at best. If I'm wrong then I'll hold my hands up.
Fair enough Sensible but anyone vivsitng this board would get the impression that every Argyle fan thinks fletcher is the Devil incarnate and we are doomed whatever happens plus there was a little smiley to indicate it wasn´t 100% serious. Milton either passionate or insane but either way I would rather support my home town club than one that mygranniesneighbourcamefrom/mydogwasbornthere/thirdcousintwiceremovedhadtrialswiththem or whatever other feeble excuse used for supporting a ´BIG´ team which they have no connection too. As for managers I´ll keep what we have until Xmas but others may disagree as you probably have noticed Good luck for the rest of the Season (except against us of course)
I'm not one of the "Fletcher is the devil" brigade. I try to be objective and if Fletcher does well or right with something then I will say so. Others do have a Fletcher is carp attitude on anything and everything that is true but I don't do that. Unfortunately at the moment there is nothing to give Fletcher credit for. I just hope that by Christmas it isn't too late.
Bit of each....and I like to think I know my football.....you'll be OK. Outside the bottom four at Xmas! Sensible, can we bet a pint on it?
