You're nice... The metaphor works so keep your mouth shut. But there is a context to the metaphor that you're probably unaware of. Oh, and I'm sorry I'm educated enough to make such a post!
Will always cheer him and NEVER boo the guy whatever, but that's on matchday. On here I'll air my views like everyone else, this is a football forum, right ?
Since when has David McNally ever given in to a ransom demand? Did he and the board raid the club purse to keep Lambert for another season? No! Do you think Grant Holt had more leverage with them than Lambert? No! You are putting your interpretation on events about which we the supporters have only the barest minimum of information. The only thing that can be said with absolute certainty is that giving Grant Holt a new three year contract was, in the view of the manager, the CEO and the board, the right action to take in the best interests of the club. There's no question of Holt "being bigger than the club". You are amazed that you seem to be the only one concerned about our strikers. I'm even more flabbergasted by the lack of trust you demonstrate in those currently at the helm of the club. And yes, we are all free to have an opinion, but not all opinions are equally justified.
Not everyone sees things in the same way wonky, and I happen to agree with you on this, but this is a forum for airing ones views, whether we agree with them or not. Personally I think there are some fans who´re only happy when they´ve got something to moan about, and if there isn´t anything, then they invent something, just the way of the world. Didn´t actually think there were that many on here who were openly criticising him, but perhaps I´m wrong. The W. Ham game was the first one this season that I´ve been able to see live, and Holt certainly didn´t seem to lack effort, just a bit of sharpness and luck that´s all, like the rest of our strikers at the moment. Certainly far too early to start pressing the panic button.
Holt hasent had the best start to the season, and it seems quite clear to me that contract negotiations in the summer took its toll and he is no longer the white sheep of the team. His gripping over his contract has just added extra pressure on a season that was always going to be hard for him due to his excellent return of goals last season and was always going to be a tough act to follow anyway!! Im sure he will find the back of the net soon enough and put all this behind him and get the fans off his back!!
Agree, There wasn't a particular lack of effort in my opinion,. Lets just be patient and see what the situation is after another 4 or 5 games.
Sorry, Hucks for manager, but I'm sick of hearing this absurd comment. Someone else said "we're only 4 games into the season" or similar - Christ, that's MORE than 10%!! So why are people saying that effectively, we're happy for our captain, talisman and highest paid player to perform for 85/90% of the season, yet we expect/demand 100% from every other player I have no doubts he will start scoring goals again, but when - after 6 games, 8, 10...
I think he is more than goals and seems more of a team player. He is focuding on what he can do best at this exact point in time (due to fitness or not. Some of his touches and passes have been outstanding.
Totally agree with almost all of this. Once a player announces he is unhappy at a club, ship him out for as much cash as you can. It's like a couple announcing that they are going to have a 'trial separation' - they should just give up the ghost and admit it's dead. With 5m plus we could have bought a young player for the future who had resale value (sorry Supers but maybe Rhodes, if he was hungry enough to accept lower wages in return for Prem football - and if he wasn't, he's not our type of player anyway). And like kickitoff, I will be very very happy if I have to come on here ten games from now and eat a load of humble pie.
Personally RBF I am interested in intelligent, informed debate about football in general and NCFC in particular. Yes, there is plenty of room for difference of opinion, but in the vast majority of cases it is simply not true that one opinion is as good as another. In most cases opinions can be quite sensibly assessed as more or less well-founded, backed or otherwise by facts and evidence, more, or less, justified or valid. There are people who still insist the world is flat. They are in one sense "entitled" to their opinion, but the rest of us don't need to take any notice of them. Same goes for some opinions on here, which bear just as little relation to reality.
I am truly stunned the way some people are reacting. Currently, Holt hasn't scored. We have scored two and missed countless chances. It is discussed on here. If you dare to day "he played badly" you are seen as a moaner. Then you are virtually accused of being a traitor and that the only true NCFC supporters are those who think Holt can do no wrong. I have watched NCFC since 1960 and cheer and sing my head off at every game I attend and watch every game on the internet. I want my club to win every game and love them to bits. IMO, the best way to achieve this at the moment may be to drop Grant Holt and put someone else in. Luckily I'm not in charge. CH is and I for one back him. But that doesn't make me any less knowledgeable about the club our less a true supporter. Lets stop with the conceited know all derisory attitude against people who have supported this club far longer than others.
Well said sir, let's all stick to football and stop waving handbags at those who disagree with us! We ALL love Holty, we ALL want him to do what he does best, let's pray that he finds his scoring boots sooner rather than later!
Well said Dave! Holty rings so much to the table just let him get on with it only 4 games in and he is not getting as much service as last term but we all accept that the defence is better so just give the boss a few games to get the link to Holty right It is a long season we are not in the bottom 3 get over the moaning
Like I've said a few times now, we didn't win any of our first five games last season and it took until October 15th away at Liverpool before a goal from Holt earned us so much as a point (the only one he scored before them was a consolation against Chelsea) and I still cannot remember there being this kind of panic at any point back then. The only reason I can think why there is this panic now is that we have been spoilt and our expectation levels have been risen somewhat after a very successful campaign last year, but people have to be realistic, they have to learn from experiences of the past and they have to be a bit more patient with our new manager and his style of play if you ask me. If we have to wait ten games for Holty to contribute, which then leads to him scoring 15 goals which takes us to a 12th place finish again then I for one will certainly be taking that thanks
personally, i'd drop him for the trip to newcastle. it might kick start him using him as the impact sub which he was so effective as last year. seems obvious to me
Hopefully Newcastle's defence will remain injury-riddled and I would not be gutted to see Krul unable to play as I can see him being yet another keeper to play a blinder against us this season. I just think we need to knock a couple of goals in and then the panic will cease. I think we were all shocked by the horror show at Fulham and that result and the lack of a subsequent win has made us all a bit more nervous about how the season will go and this puts additional pressure on the players, particularly those who need to put the ball in the net. Last season we could not find a defensive set-up which led us not to be able to find a clean sheet in a Chinese laundry but we scored, this year the defence has tightened up but we can't seem to score in a proverbial!
I agree, footballers want to be in the starting line up, and it may increase his motivation and run his heart out for 20-30 mins. By the way I'm not saying he is unmotivated, but subs often want to prove a point and find that little extra.
Vietnam, Grant Holt never at any time said he was unhappy at the club. In fact, he made it quite clear that he wanted nothing other than to remain a Norwich player, and round off his career in yellow and green before entering the twilight, bit part years of a semi-retired footballer. What he was unhappy about was the specific detail of the contract he was being offered. What is so silly about kickitoff's post are the comments about the club being held to ransom, and "no player being bigger than the club". Does kickitoff really think that the people in charge of NCFC run the business on that sort of basis? If he does, I assume he also thinks that the people who have overseen Man Utd's two decades of unprecedented success, who have made Man Utd one of the most successful clubs in the world, and one of whom is the longest serving manager in British football who has shown time and again that he brooks no nonsense from players however big their heads or their reputations, have so little nous or steel that they meekly paid up when Rooney "held them to ransom" two years ago, thus demonstrating that Rooney was "bigger than" Manchester United. What utter nonsense. You don't run any sort of successful business on that sort of basis; you run it on the basis of hard-headed business judgement about the best course of action in any given set of circumstances. Employee contract negotiations and decisions are just one, perfectly normal, day-to-day element in that on-going process. If kickitoff believes we would have been better to sell Grant Holt, fine; he has a different opinion to most of the rest of us, and more importantly, to those in charge of NCFC. But his comments about the club being held to ransom and Holty being shown to be "bigger than the club" are absolute twaddle.
