As a Consett steelworker we were one of the first to get it when that bitch got in - as a nationalised industry the nation could not afford to subsidise them they said - Thatchers guru was a chap called Milton Freidman who was an AMERICAN economist and she followed his teachings to the letter. How did the american steel industry survive? oh thats right the american government put a surcharge on steel imports to america to protect their steel industries (but thats not nationalisation is it) wonder why Thatchers government didn't do that? On the wishing Thatcher dead part I would never wish that on anyone in fact I believe that she is now a frightened old woman so hopefully she will live to 250 and suffer greatly (although I may have to have the party in the afterlife)
Listen, she **** on anyone who got in her way or wouldn't do as they were told. Even her own party turned on her in the end. She ****ed off to Paris for a week long summit & there was effectively a coup d'etat led by Heseltine, Clark & co. They all knew they had no chance of winning the next election with her at the helm. By the time she got back all the dirty work had been done & she knew she was on borrowed time, ****ed as a well ****ed thing actually. Even her most loyalist supporter, Geoffry Howe was shat on from a very high place. I hope the stinking old hag ends up having to be spoon fed liquidised food for the next fifty years.
Are politicians actions ever entirely indirect though? To put into more simple terms, if you own a business and put 10 of your workforce out of work, and then one of those laid off commits suicide as a result of his seemingly hopeless situation, would you not bare some responsibility? Would you not personally feel guilty? But of course, you couldn't directly save them. There was nothing you could do in order to put an immediate stopper in the process of their death...But what if there were people in prison who you had labeled terrorists (despite them fighting for the same cause as the force who went onto become the legitimate Irish government) and they threatened to starve themselves to death if your government didn't accept them as political prisoners. We're not talking about a pardon for their crimes, their 5 demands were simply: the right not to wear a prison uniform; the right not to do prison work; the right of free association with other prisoners, and to organise educational and recreational pursuits; the right to one visit, one letter and one parcel per week; full restoration of remission lost through the protest And you declared that you simply did not negotiate with terrorists...Only to sit and watch as 10 men died, before you gave into International outcry and simply granted their demands...that's another 10 men, who you could've saved, who's demands you granted anyway. Would you not feel guilty? Would you not feel responsible? (and that's without talking more about the Argentinians she put to death) Vile woman!
To the first point, if you are in a position where you have to lay off 10 staff, that's life. If one goes on to commit suicide that is not your fault in the slightest, you obviously had to let the staff go to keep the business running, you had no choice. On the terrorist thing, yes, but in my opinion terrorists shouldn't be negotiated with, but I'd rather they were negotiated with straight away than be stubborn for a while until a few people are killed, then negotiate.
Fair point, but lets not forget that Thatcher was not simply a business owner, she was the political representative of our nation. Not of the South, not of the upper classes, not of her fellow conservative voters. Of OUR ENTIRE nation. She had a responsibility to 100% of her people and she chose to ignore that. You can't make all the people happy all the time, but that doesn't give you free reign to obliterate a region/labour voting stronghold in order to make your own voters happier/richer. And the definition of terrorist is a difficult one in that instance. These people felt they were a legitimate force fighting for the freedom of their nation. Whilst they weren't recognised as the ROI's own army, it is no secret that there was whispered (and in some case, much more audible) from ROI politicians. Had they won and Northern Ireland joined the Republic they wouldn't be seen as terrorists, but soldiers - just as many of the original IRA's soldiers were. Of course there are always 2 sides to every story, many of these 'political prisoners' were murderers who killed innocent people or who's activities (such as gun running/explosives smuggling) led to the deaths of innocent people. My point however in all of this, is that this woman didn't give a single **** about anyone but herself and her cronies!
I'm not disagreeing with anything you said mate, but to that above, aren't all politicians like that? I mean, David Cameron clearly doesn't give a **** about young people, isn't it 9k a year or something absolutely ridiculous for university this year? That will have priced a lot of youngsters out of going, it's a setback and changes their ENTIRE future, but I wouldn't expect them to commit suicide over it, and I wouldn't blame David Cameron if they did. He cut EMA aswell didn't he? So he is screwing over young people while the already rich seem to be getting richer and richer. That may make him a **** prime minister, as I think Margaret Thatcher was, but it doesn't make me "Hope there is a special place in hell" reserved for him.
Jesus, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Just depends what side of the fence you sit on& while I have no time at all for the Provo's or the UDA/UVF I can see both points of view & in a funny kind of way, had a grudging respect for both for fighting for what they believed in. Of course I am well aware that Ulster was gerrymandered, the majority wanted to remain under UK control. Although I do think that will change over time. Don't waste your time trying to put a balanced, educated view to AMBAON though. You may as well talk to the wall.
