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If Cortese decides to sack Adkins

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by gomarchingin, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. Beddy

    Beddy Plays the percentage

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    I truly do not have a problem with those that do point him in the right direction.....Just the way they do it......:wink:
     
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  2. tiggermaster

    tiggermaster Well-Known Member

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    It's just that.. you build a football team 'back to front'.... if you are not letting in goals you've got a chance.. ? 6 mil on defence if you include the reserve Goalie and 20 mil + in midfield/strikers.. Might that be the wrong way round?

    Yours hoping I'm wrong

    TM X
     
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  3. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    If I were to take the OP at face value, and assume that it was not just an attempt to wind us all up, then it's a non-question. How can you back an ex-manager over a current chairman? My own view of NC is that he is a man of integrity who is trying to run Saints in a professional way. If he decided to dispense with Nigel's services then it would certainly be after giving him every opportunity.
    As it is, the question doesn't arise anyway, since Nigel is going to keep us up.
     
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  4. Saint Possum

    Saint Possum Well-Known Member

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    Wow that's a lot of managers getting sacked this season if they lose once to Man U Man C and Arsenal.
    Throw in losing to the odd team like Wigan then that's nearly every manager getting sacked before Christmas.
     
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  5. Saints_Alive

    Saints_Alive Well-Known Member

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    That was the George Graham philosophy of team building but his teams had a reputation of being "boring". There is the other point of view that you need attacking players that can hurt their opponents at the back and push them back. These players are naturally more expensive than defensive players as scoring goals at the highest level is crucial. At the moment the club is investing heavily in the long term future by cherry picking young talent before their peak and hoping that they will develop together into top players playing attacking, possession football. This is speculating to accumulate and of course young players are much more likely to increase in value so they are an investment to the club. I'm delighted that we are building a squad for the next decade and I can't wait until we start winning games to shut up all the doubters that cannot see the bigger picture.
     
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  6. ImpSaint

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    AS THE poster above says. That is a really old philosophy. Blackpool didn't spend at all and that's why they went down. Even teams like Man U and Arsenal spend many times more on their midfield and Attack than their defence/goalkeepers. Sometimes bucks the trend because they managed to keep a lot of their players for a long time :)

    We have spent on improving the midfield. Of that front 6 from yesterday it cost us what? 3.7m total??? That includes Schneiders. How much is that front 6 worth today? In reality it would probs cost other teams (at realistic value not inflated because we don't want to sell) more than £40m:

    Lambert - 5
    Lallana - 15
    Schneiderlin - 10
    Ward-Prowse - 5
    Puncheon - 2
    Davis - 5

    Add to that lot Ramirez and we already have quite an expensive team there. I would suggest the spending from now will solely be on the back 5. TH I can't see any of our back 5 barring possibly Clyne surviving past this season if we stay up. Even Clyne may end up as back up for a couple of years.

    So I am positive. We have a very high in value attacking threat, it isn't the Adam, Campbell carp that Blackpool had. It is IMO a top 4 to top 10 attacking threat which is great.
     
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  7. Mr.Gaston Ramirez

    Mr.Gaston Ramirez New Member

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    Goals win games.
     
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  8. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    My Dad always used to tell me "Attack is the best form of defence". In the context of the modern game this could be adapted to: "Keep possession and you can't be beaten". This would suggest that the midfield is where games are lost and won, and Saints are as well-equipped as most teams in the Prem with midfielders who can pass the ball, win possession back, slow the game down or speed it up, and create scoring chances. I think the next few weeks will see our midfield getting to grips with life in the Prem.
     
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  9. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    Agree with this. I don't expect us to beat the top 6 sides but I'm confident we will more than hold our own against the rest!
     
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  10. gomarchingin

    gomarchingin New Member

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    Some of your prices are a tad high I think .
     
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  11. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    The difference with valuations is selling and buying prices. For example, people might be reluctant to pay 5 mill for a player of Lambert's age, but would we manage to buy a striker of Lambert's ability for that price.
     
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  12. Beef

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    Think we should get Mourinho, Madrid aren't playing well so he'd be tempted. <laugh>
     
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  13. Itchen North Matt

    Itchen North Matt Active Member

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    Starting with the defence and moving forwards is an outdated model and vastly oversimplified. Any manager will tell you that defending starts from the front and involves much more than the back 5. Take the best back 5 in the world and pit them against a top, passing side like Arsenal. I can guarantee that Arsenal would score in a matter of seconds and the game would end with a cricket score if the game went on for 90 minutes.

    The modern game is won and lost in the midfield. Control the midfield and you control the game. If the oppostion don't let you do that, you have to get people between the lines and make sure there is a way through so you can sucker punch them. That's where Ramirez comes in. Even if we do control the midfield, we still want players between the lines so we can play the ball into the players who can do the damage in the final third. Whacking the ball into Lambert from deep won't bring us much joy. There will be the odd defensive slip, set piece or wonderball, but riding our luck like that won't keep us in the league. It hasn't done England too many favours in recent tournaments.

    We can say plenty about the defence, but I'd be a lot more worried if we were still relying on Guly, De Ridder and Chaplow. The attacking spending is also very much justified.
     
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  14. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    We've played exciting, high scoring football for the last couple of years and we've loved it. In the games that I've watched, we also left it a bit open at the back and had to do a few rearguard actions. I was always confident we would win, but was never certain that the opposition couldn't score. We have to change that a bit, but can't expect the changes to happen overnight.
     
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  15. SootySaint

    SootySaint Well-Known Member

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    I am a big fan of Adkins and how he has made us "pass the ball about" But if we do end up bottom at around Christmas (which i don't think we will) Who would Cortese replace Adkins with? I will probably get slated for this question but in the eyes of Cortese he may feel that we need someone with premier league experience as most chairman's do with newly promoted teams. I know we have been rumoured to be linked with Old Harry but i think this is the usual Paper rubbish. Would Cortese go for someone foreign or try and stick with an English manager?
     
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  16. Lovelocum

    Lovelocum Well-Known Member

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    Pompy WUM?

    All his posts are antagonistic, inflammatory and appear designed to provoke a response. Which is what he gets!
     
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  17. saint-jenny

    saint-jenny Active Member

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    So put him on ignore like the rest of us have, and stop quoting him so those of us who do have him on ignore don't have to read his drivel
     
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  18. Boss

    Boss Son of Pulis

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    Would redknapp be welcome if come christmas you're still in trouble and Adkins looks out of his depth?
     
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  19. Lovelocum

    Lovelocum Well-Known Member

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    Oh I didn't realise I could do this. The wonders of internet forums...
     
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  20. Beef

    Beef Well-Known Member

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    Nope, wouldn't want that twat anywhere near my team again.
     
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