Friday 14th September Daily Thread (DAY 3 ST LEGER MEETING)

redcgull · Sep 14, 2012

Will Duke Of Firenze make it another winner for the fav's...?

4 out of 5 have...!!!

Ron · Sep 14, 2012

Bloody donkey that Baby Strange. I'll have to accept it does not know how to win a race. How a horse can look so good at Goodwood and be that crap at Chester I don't know. Completely ruined my winning sequence. 7 successive winners, then that.

redcgull · Sep 14, 2012

No... Just didnt have anything at the end...

Right lads thats me, have a good one this weekend...

Dexter · Sep 14, 2012

George and Red

Dexter · Sep 14, 2012

Have a good 'un Red.

SwanHills · Sep 14, 2012

Ron said: ↑

Bloody donkey that Baby Strange. I'll have to accept it does not know how to win a race. How a horse can look so good at Goodwood and be that crap at Chester I don't know. Completely ruined my winning sequence. 7 successive winners, then that.
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Yes, you're right! Had a few euro on it myself. 'Ways and means' are not necessary with this profound donkey as it does the stopping all by itself.......

ROTO · Sep 14, 2012

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‎7.15 Sandown

Educate 33/1 NAP

Ishmail Mohammed's 3 year old is the biggest monkey in the world and if you look at his last two starts you'll see exactly what I mean but I think he is clearly a very talented horse and if his trainer has rectified his quirks in the past 20 days then I think he could go extremely well at a massive price. Regardless of what happens tomorrow, if Educate is ever gelded then I'm going to be all over him as it should definitely settled him down a huge amount. However, after clearly showing signs of significant inexperience in his 4 starts to date I'm hoping his precocious nature will have hopefully settled down. This colt made his debut over tomorrow's C+D less than 2 months ago on soft ground at Sandown when running a very eye catching 7th. After being posted out wide, he was outpaced slightly before getting the hang of things in the home straight. He tried to make a forward move but on at least 3 occasions his path was blocked and he clearly had an absolute ton left in the tank as he came home in nearly a walk to be beaten by only 8L. That looks a pretty good maiden with the top 3 rated 90, 85 and 83. However, he made no mistake on his next start as he got off the mark in style.

12 days after his debut Educate was again campaigned over 10f this time on good to firm ground at Yarmouth where he ran out a ready an impressive winner. After sitting just behind the pace, he travelled into the race extremely well and when asked to quicken and go and win his race he hung a bit and again showed he was still very green. He eventually responded to O'Shea's urgings and he readily drew clear in impressive fashion to score by an easy 6L. The form of that race doesn't look too bad with the 2nd finishing a neck beaten 2nd on a handicap after this. Regardless of the form, he definitely won like a horse with considerable talent.

His last two starts are where his quirks have come to the fore and its clearly a major concern tomorrow but I think that is factored into his price tag. He made his handicap debut off a mark of 82 at Newmarket Class 3 event on heavy ground on the 14th of July. After settling towards the rear, he was rather keen for the first 4 or so furlongs and he was still clearly a bit green. Turning into the long home straight, Educate made some eye catching progress on the bridle and when Tadhg O'Shea started to get at him under hands and heels he was making progress better than anything. Then the whip came out and Educate lost the plot. He veered left and right multiple times back and forth and he ended up throwing his chance away. He was eased in the final furlong but despite all this he still managed to finish only an 8L beaten 5th in what I think looks a decent handicap, although much of the form hasn't been tested. A week later he came back to the same Newmarket course and it was no surprise to see a visor applied for the first time. Under Jack Doyle, Educate was settled in the rear of the 6 runner field and he seemed to settle much better. With about 3f to go, Doyle angled Educate out and he began to make progress before Doyle brought the whip through into his left hand. As soon at that happened, it appeared as if Educate was spooked and he hung violently to the left. Knowing his chance to win were gone, Doyle stop exerting maximum pressure and after all of this he was only beaten by 4L in what again looks a decent handicap. The winner Prussian and the 4th Prophesy home both ran very good races as Glorious Goodwood to give depth to the race.

In his 20 days off the track, I really hope Mohammed has worked tirelessly to remove the quirks of this recalcitrant character as its preventing him from reaching his full ability. It could easily be a case of him being afraid of the whip but he seems a rather wound up individual. The visor remains on him and hopefully he's garnished enough experience to allow him to race straight under maximum urgings. Ismail Mohammed is a new enough trainer to UK shores but he had great success in his native Dubai including training the winner of the UAE Derby and 1,000 Guineas so he clearly is a talented trainer. He's only had runners in the UK since May and from his 42 runners to date his only winner has indeed been educate so it seems as if he finding his feet. However, his last 2 horses have finished 2nd so it seems as if he is getting the hang of things. Although Ahmed Ajtebi is having his first ride in the UK for Mohammed, he is a very eye catching booking in my eyes given that the pair regularly teamed up in the past to success in Dubai. Tomorrow's favourite Royal Empire could easily turn out to be a Group horse given his impressive debut performance but I've got to take him on on his turf debut off a mark of 90 at is current price. Although significant risks are clearly attached to him, I think he's got a much better chance than his current 33/1 quoting and if putting his best foot forward I envisage him running a massive race off 81 which should hopefully see him return to the winners enclosure. If not, I can see his balls being chopped off very soon
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FFS I didn't see he was running. His balls got chopped off and he wins NTO at 10s. How the hell did I miss him

Dexter · Sep 14, 2012

Unlucky ROTO and back at Sandown as well.

Dexter · Sep 14, 2012

Right,I'm back on the sauce so it's alehouse time.

GL anyone playing on the later stuff.

Ron · Sep 14, 2012

ROTO said: ↑

FFS I didn't see he was running. His balls got chopped off and he wins NTO at 10s. How the hell did I miss him
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I guess you didn't put him on your tracker ROTO. I had Baby Strange on mine so I didn't forget.

rainbowview · Sep 14, 2012

Forget that still people saying not 100% so best edit.

OddDog · Sep 14, 2012

RV I reckon Strong Suit is a stonking bet tomorrow and would appreciate your thoughts. 7F is right up his street and Moore got mugged on him in the Hungerford - I think he will piss this tomorrow.

rainbowview · Sep 14, 2012

Been waiting all season to back him Odddy and think tomorrow is the right time can't see him getting beat. If he doesn't win tmz I will not be backing him again. Moore made a right balls up on him in the Hungerford agreed

OddDog · Sep 14, 2012

mate, decent dabble going on him

Hope the Owls can get summat at Brighton tonight .....

rainbowview · Sep 14, 2012

No probs - same here

is that match on TV ? might pop out for a few beers and watch it - any excuse

OddDog · Sep 14, 2012

Nah afraid not they're showing Charlton v Palace <yawn>

Toon at Everton Monday neet - look a decent bet at 100/30 for the win?

My new fav trainer Mark McNiff runs Whisky Galore in the last at Down Royal - go on my son !!!!!

rainbowview · Sep 14, 2012

. I am going out on Monday night for that - staying in just peaceful weekend then town on Monday. Nahh we will get beat I reckon.

good luck

OddDog · Sep 14, 2012

2nd last

rainbowview · Sep 14, 2012

Jamie Osborne has tweeted the following

Its with great sadness I report we have failed to save Never Can Tell. She will be much missed by us all. RIP Old Girl. X

what a shame

OddDog · Sep 14, 2012

Sad news. RIP Never Can Tell, condolences to connections especially Jamie Osborne who I always rated as a jockey and is doing really well as a trainer. Must be devastated.

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