Cracking stuff! Has anyone considered going directly to the ICPP with a formal compaint? One person may get turned away but thousands will add some serious weight to the investigation!
That should have read IPCC by the way. Just copied this from their website which is extremely significant to the current situation: People who work in the police service should behave appropriately at all times. Expectations about the behaviour of both police officers and members of police staff are set out in their respective Standards of Professional Behaviour. These standards are set out on many police force websites. They include requirements to: •act with honesty and integrity, fairness and impartiality •treat members of the public and their colleagues with respect •not abuse their powers and authority •act in a manner that does not discredit or undermine public confidence in the police service. Not sure what everyone else thinks but there's reasons there beyond all doubt! If you feel that someone working for the police has not met these standards, you can make a complaint.
The only problem with all this is, is there was so many parties involved and all are culpable, that it could take years to get them all.
You're right SKD it is a long road, but the one we've just been on has been long so do we give up th efight for justice now or help bring to justice those that made th eroad so long?
I agree. All of them have to be brought to their knees. Sheffield Wednesday have to pay the price for their actions too in being negligent in not having a proper safety certificate.
Bit sickening on 5live this morning, on the way into work, pigs still covering their arses. They still can't put their hands up and admit it, even after a bishop calls them out. There is not a single morale fiber amongst the lot of them.
The Liverpool Echo has named and shamed all of them with the exception of Thatcher. Have a look at the thread PMK posted.
Fixed Sounds great, but with Duckenfield, I want his pension taken away, and his record to show he was sacked, then his house is taken away and his wife can live in a council house while he rots in prison for the rest of his evil days. I like the idea of a big pot of money that can be shared out 70/30 between familied of the 96 and the survivors who have been slandered for so long. I also think there should be special consideration for the family of Stephen Whittle. Plus any other's I may have forgotten.
I read that one of the consequences of the new report is that the SYP will re-open their investigation into the disaster...Weren't they the ****ers who doctored it the first time? WTF! What's to stop them doing it again. You can't make this **** up.
I didn't go through the IPCC route simply because I think they are already moving ahead with certain things. I wanted to go straight to WYP about Bettison as he's their CC at the moment. Basically I think they have a ratings system as to how confident/satisfied "the public" are with their performance. The lower we can drive that figure the more pressure other people in the force (or responsible for the performance of the force) will have to put on this dog turd of man (apologies to dog turds everywhere).
Triple C. I think SYP want the IPCC to handle it, not the force themselves. I think.........................
I don't think the government would allow that to happen. The whole thing is way too high profile now. Even those who didn't know about Hillsborough know about it now. Shame it's taken 23 years for it to happen.
Its going to take a while for all the parties involved to be punished, but the most important thing is justice will be served cold on all those guilty. No amount of money will ever compensate for the loss of our 96 brothers and sisters of our Liverpool family. However knowing that those responsible got put through hell will be some comfort.
Justice is a small word but a big concept. It is not the justice that you may feel is morally justifiable that will ultimately be dispensed and it is not the severity that you may wish for that will finally be ordered. Let's take Duckenfield for starters. Now he is retired and probably in ill-health. Whilst that may not save him from having to face a criminal charge it will be considered by any court that hears that charge. It will also be considered in regard to any judgement that is finally imposed. The chances of him going to prison are slim and there would be possibly no action taken against his retirement pension. If he was advised to plead guilty to any charge then that too would be taken into account in his tarrif. Such a plea would also mean that the prosecutors could not cross-examine him regarding the cover-up conspiracy. According to the law justice will have been served even if it come nowhere near the severity considered appropriate by 'outsiders'. As far as Bettison is concerned, others who were also involved in the management of the cover-up would have to identify him as a member of the 'committee'. I wonder if any senior SYP officer (past or present) would be willing to do that?
Bettison should be stripped of his knighthood, that should only be for starters. There is a lot of people and organisations including the English FA that are going to be dragged through the mud until justice has been done.
