Yeah and they stood and watched and did **** all. http://www.metro.co.uk/news/871655-...ood-back-and-let-protestors-take-over-streets
My mates were called up to assist with this and many didnt sleep at all until order was restored. The looters were there not to remember the man who was shot but to steal what they could and the picture of the man nicking a massive bag of Tesco VALUE basmati rice showed their level of intelligence and thinking. At first it was a peaceful demonstration so why would they and then when it kicked off there is just not enough police to contain that sort of situation properly without calling in back ups from around the country and that is just what they did. The police were always on a hiding to nothing if they charged in smashed a few heads they would have been accused of being OTT. The fact its up to the government whther they use water cannons etc means they are unable to handle situations until MP's come and discuss the matter.
rangercol... your back. Great news, The New Swords will be pleased. I'm looking forward to your report on Sunday. Btw, the Police failed miserably at Hillsborough, not only for the cover-up. But because they also failed to apply common sense on the ground. People were squashed up against those fences asphyxiating and turning blue and they still didn't open the access gates to the pitch because a superior didn't give them the say so. There was a distinct lack of communication on the ground to those in higher places. It was also the police that inhibited any attendance of ambulances to the stadium due to fighting?????? So instead the ambulance service rendezvoused so far away from the ground that it rendered them useless. Forty one people died as the result of that action. Forty one people who could of survived if they had been given basic first aid care.
This is true and out of this misery the face of football changed as did the policing, safety standards etc. I am happy that the families got what they deserved and thought for. The police have also come a long way since then.
I agree with that. In fact, I've always found the UK police to be very courteous and friendly. I remember one time outside a Club in the Bush, a pair of clowns took a Plod's hat off and started tossing it to each other with the Cop running to and fro trying to get it back - whilst all the time laughing at the joviality of the merry-makers. If that had've happened in the States they would have been shot dead!
They have to go to the cps. Generally these are 1 on 1 type things so present the evidence for a decision. http://sixthformlaw.info/01_modules/other_material/cps/31_cps_role.htm
They did cover it up but if doesn't make every priest a kiddy fiddler forever more which seems to be the basis of your argument.
I agree with every word mate. What happened that day was an utterly tragic disgrace. The police have been shown to have covered up there failings and their actions on the day and thereafter were appalling. However....I'm simply saying that the police in general have a very difficult and increasingly dangerous job. A lot are knobs.....but not all.
i was only nine when this happened so i remember it happening but i cant really talk about the politics of the time. i have notice by looking back at videos of the time one thing really stands out. How football fans were just seen as scum by the Tories at the time i know there was alot of trouble around that time but it was not every one. so you can see how easy it was for the police to get away with what they did. Sadly even to this day i think this is at the back of people minds of the politians today. when england fans go abroad wheather it be to watch there club or country and get attack by fans or the local police no one ever seems to want to stick up for them. It always seems that they must of started it or ask for it. i dont know if you can get any thing positive out of this but this was the kick up the arse that football needed to sort it self out. we now have alot of money football with flashy alll seat stadium so lets hope something like this will never happen again
"First, though it may be a particularly extreme example, it is hardly unheard of for the police to seek to divert attention from their shortcomings by having others carry the blame. In recent times, the Stephen Lawrence case, the shootings of Jean Charles de Menezes and Mark Duggan, and the events surrounding the death of Ian Tomlinson all raised similar concerns." http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/12/hillsborough-report-lays-bare-the-lies And that's leaving out all the frame ups that have led to false imprisonment, untimely deaths and great suffering. The State is rotten to the core and the Police are merely its enforcers.
No but if I went to 8 churches and 7 of them were kiddie fiddlers then I would have a reasonable argument for stating the the majority of them are.
Wow, what a lonely world you must live in Imaz! Have you ever used the NHS? Claimed benefits? I suppose you don't watch TV because the 'rotten State' has provided you with a better quality digital signal now? If you really feel this way abut the country in which you live, I suggest you go and live somewhere else? I know, how about North Korea where you'll at least be taken seriously when you say "The State is rotten to the core and the Police are merely its enforcers." Time to go on my ignore list because everything I read from you is pure BS. IMHO of course... Edit: Just seen your post above which replies "Or quite possibly the desperation of grinding poverty." Right. Explain the people who stole the Xboxs and PS3s please.
After all the lies, corruption, expenses scandals and illegal invasions of sovereign states with hundreds of thousands of deaths I should consider the state not rotten? Privilege and entitlement must be you raisons d'etre to be in such denial.
You're right, I'm privileged to be living in a country where the vast majority can enjoy a good quality of life, and indeed the state attempts to help those that don't. As for my sense of entitlement, I have a part time (20-25 hours per week) job at Pizza Hut which pays for a nice apartment and bills in the centre of Liverpool and allows me to enjoy a drink with my mates in the pub when I fancy it and pay the subs to the ref for my Saturday morning game of football. I don't claim benefits and never have, and I'm currently looking for a full-time job where I can use my French degree which I studied bloody hard for. Where's my sense of entitlement exactly Imaz?
In all honesty, did that happen? I probably won't believe you if you say yes, but it's worth asking anyway because I don't believe you could have been so selectively choosing churches where this was happening. There are thousands of churches all over the country, and millions across the world, where nothing like this would or could ever happen. And you say your personal experience is an 87.7% hit rate on *****phile priests? Sorry, I simply cannot accept that this happened in reality. Not that this is in any way relevant to the topic of the thread, of course.
No thats my experience with the police, 1 good experience (drinking in the park in SAR on a scorching day with mates and one came up and asked us to move out of site as his boss was due there shortly) and many many more bad ones. Anyone who goes to away matches will know what complete ****s they are, speaking of which. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19583260
If people can remember that far back, I can, alot of Football fans were scum, I cannot remember a game in the late 70's early 80's without some trouble. Every team had a team that only purpose to be there was to start a fight, whether it was fisticoffs outside a nearby pub or full scale pitch invasion, (V Wolves 82). How would the police, say 30 coppers stop trouble even at QPR's smaller ground, also the whole enviroment of that time, Bradford, Heysel, not just football, the miners strike, poll tax riots, wapping newspaper crap, at times I felt we were close to cival war, so blaming a few coppers and stewards that were there, probably ****ting their pants because they thought it was kicking off in the Liverpool end, because to be honest thats probably what it looked like, will not do any good, and not bring back the dead. Covering up and changing reports is unforgivable but I think I can understand the you versus us scenario of the time.
