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Hillsborough - The truth at last

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by QPR999, Sep 12, 2012.

  1. Flyer

    Flyer Well-Known Member

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    No I am not, its a know fact that people become complete pricks when you put them in power. Thats why the vast majority of bosses are complete arseholes too and why both politicians and the filth think they are above the law.
    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/05/how-power-corrupts/
     
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  2. Swords Hoopster.

    Swords Hoopster. Well-Known Member

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    I really hate to say this but I tend to agree with Flyer.

    If only he could be as perceptive when it comes to football!
     
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  3. Azmi

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    Well said, about time someone spoke the truth here.
     
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  4. Ranger74

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    They're like any job or profession. You get good ones and bad ones. The nature of plod is they have much greater scrutiny. For every bad story there is a good one and no doubt those that slag them off will be the first to call for help when they need it.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3675035/2011-Police-Bravery-Awards.html
     
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  5. Flyer

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    Just a few months ago, I saw some chav break into the sheds in my building. I didnt even bother calling them as I knew theyd do nothing and I didnt bother confronting him because hed either had to have had a crowbar or screwdriver which meant Id have had to take a weapon out which theyd try and put me behind bars for.

    Politicians, Police and Lawyers are the 3 least trustworthy jobs there are.
     
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  6. Ranger74

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    Flyer, that's all assumption! You didn't call so your guessing at the response. You didn't approach which I agree with but again your totally guessing at the outcome. Hardly a factual experience!
     
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  7. SussexR

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    Its a fact that any incident/acident/disaster happens due to a series of failures, not just one. In the case of Hilsborough the failures included:
    No issued safety certificate for the ground by Sheffield Council
    Ground safety defficiencies which were known by Sheff Weds
    No method for controlling the number of people in each individual pens on the terrace, only for the whole terrace. It is believed that the number of people in that terrace was below the capacity, problem was that most were in the two centre pens.
    The fences on the front of the terrace prevented people escaping. These were installed to prevent hooliganism with no thought for safety.
    The police opened the exit gates and let an uncontrolled number enter, but didnt direct them away from the centre pens.

    And the list could be continued. The tragedy is that not only did 96 people die at a football match in a civilsed society, but that authorities who should know better tried to cover their tracks when they realised they had screwed up, and the system let them get away with it.

    I just hope that those involved who are still alive now face a court of law, not for the individual errors but for trying to cover it up.
     
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  8. Flyer

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    I didnt guess, I remembered people getting charged for murder in their own homes after a knife wielding thug comes at them.

    I told the guy whose shed got broken into and got a visit from plod a few days later and they admitted then they wouldnt do anything.
     
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  9. Azmi

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    To be perfectly fair most jobs don't have the kill rate they manage.
     
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  10. Swords Hoopster.

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    <laugh>.
     
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  11. Ranger74

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    Plod doesn't make that decision that is the CPS so its not the police you want to slag off its the CPS. Watch iplayer from last night think it was called 'the Lock Up'. Bloke beat the crap out of a car thief that he caught, was charged (by CPS) but case dropped. It's called doing things properly.

    As for plod not doing anything about the shed, they probably could have whilst he was there but how are they going to get him after the event unless you recognised him and were able to help?!
     
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  12. Ranger74

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    Nor the death rate, and i'll throw an amusing laugh in for Swords to save the extra post.
     
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  13. Flyer

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    They shouldnt even be charged in those cases unless of course its something like shooting them in the back as they are running away. Your case proves my thoughts about them, did the thief get off with no charge as well because thats what usually happens?
     
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  14. Azmi

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    Deaths in custody alone outstrip killed in the line of a duty by a factor of what?

    Shall we be generous and say 50 to 1?
     
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  15. Flyer

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    Just this week, 2 of them were charged with killing someone in custody.

    The other thing that pisses me off is them arresting people for filming them, they do this because the footage can prove they were lying about something.
     
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  16. Ranger74

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    Nope thief convicted but as I understand it by dealing with the other side fully it doesn't allow the thief to say they didn't listen to my complaint of assault and thereby get off on a technicality.
     
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  17. Ranger74

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    I don't know, my argument is about fact so if you have some evidence of a ratio please point me in the direction of it. If not i'll make something up to and say it's actually 51 to 1 the other way ;-)
     
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  18. Swords Hoopster.

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    '74, I'm going to go out on a limb here:

    Are you a Cop?
     
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  19. Ranger74

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    Local plod would love that!!! Nope, as you may have noticed from many of my disagreements with people I just like to see balance. Be that in the form of personal experiences or facts. I've had a few run ins but have also had some really good experiences and in particular when they have helped close family members.
    The wider point is would we say everybody is a racist right wing looney because of the BNP or all Muslims are terrorists because of a few or to be closer to home........ are all Rangers fans violent thugs who attack others because a few have had scraps before? No, any profession, race, group will have good and bad and you can't tarnish all becasuse of the actions of a few.
     
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    in total, 5,998 deaths were recorded for the 11 years from 2000 to 2010. This is an average of 545 deaths per year. Of these deaths, 72% (N=4,291) were of males and 28% (N=1,676) were of females

    a total of 607 deaths were reported in 2000 compared to 512 in 2010 (this represents a 16% reduction between the beginning and the end of the reporting period)

    deaths of people detained under the Mental Health Act (MHA) and those in prison custody account for 92% (N=5,511) of all deaths in state custody, at 61% (N=3,628) and 31% (N=1,883) respectively

    66% (N=3,974) of deaths were recorded as natural causes. Of these, 71% (N=2,814) of deaths were of patients detained under the MHA
     
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