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Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by El_Bando, Sep 5, 2012.

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Who will get the Job done?

Poll closed Sep 7, 2012.
  1. Alonso

    20.0%
  2. Vettel

    11.4%
  3. Webber

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Raikkonen

    11.4%
  5. Hamilton

    31.4%
  6. Button

    17.1%
  7. Rosberg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. **SPECIAL CUSTARD** (d'Ambrosio)

    2.9%
  9. Perez

    2.9%
  10. schumacher

    2.9%
  11. Other (Please Specify)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    <laugh> I couldn't agree more!
     
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  2. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    What I'm really really! interested now at the moment is that... does Seb have another clause over a clause? That if he doesn't win more than "3 races" at the fault of RBR or Renault, (in this season) the clause is already broken..... eh! *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*

    In a way if this existed he has them by the balls (Valencia + Germany) are examples of RBR costing him the win, alternator or KERS failure unable to help getting past Alonso quicker.
     
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  3. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    He was never going to win in Germany. :bandit:
     
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  4. JonnyBaws

    JonnyBaws Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea, most of what filters down to us lot is 10th hand, then we add our own slant on things (what we want to be true) and spew out here has gospel.. Well I do anyway :emoticon-0111-blush
    He's always come across as someone that is goal driven (Yes, I too have an semi-professional self taught Masters in reading body language), similar to Tiger Woods, all that matters to Tiger is beating Jack Nicklaus major record, I think all that matters to Vettel is beating his hero's record (Schumacher) and if he can win X number of WDCs in an HRT then so be it, he'll only go to Ferrari if they are the team to be in at the time!
     
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  5. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member
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    It wouldn't suprise me if he has a win clause along side a total points/% of WDC points clause. I would think that Vettle will win again this year anyway but if he has a clause saying he must win 3 or 4 races; who knows?
     
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  6. Zzas

    Zzas New Member

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  7. allsaintchris.

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    Bit more than a hand/hand and a half's difference, eh Silver?

    No doubt the penalty was due. Alonso was further alongside than Vettel was in 2011, had his whole car off the circuit and had to back off. Vettel only had two wheels off (just) in 2011 and still made the pass.

    Whilst Alonso should be careful how many times he cries Wolf!, what happened to him was worse than 2011 and the penalty was fully justified with the clarificataion of the rules on how far a driver can go to defend his position.
     
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  8. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    If Alonso had about a tyres width extra from Seb he would have nothing to say about that move. Also I don't see Seb turn left and back out where Alonso does when it's his turn to take the outside and he makes it looks worse than it actually did. Seb reacts when it looks like Alonso was losing it as he didn't leave him enough room. And if he was really trying to take him out, he would of kept of going wide and finished him and try to blag he was trying to give him the inside rather than the outside.

    With the slow mo replay and with regards to the "leave a car space" in 2011 and 2012. Alonso stops leaving a car space for Seb at 0:24 up until 0:30 when he decides to move right, so why no (Under investigation) for Alonso? There has always been a rule for dangerous driving but nothing was done about it last year, that's my real problem with this situation and the stewards can jump around all they want saying absolute **** trying to make out each situation is different.....eh?

    Alonso has a cars space from 0:22-0:23 right at the point when the tyres are close to interlocking. Just before 0:24 the car space has gone up until 0:28 when Seb turns right like Alonso did last year.

    Neither left a car space for the full duration of their moves, yet Seb got no sympathy from the stewards of the likelihood of people conspiring against him for his world title. All he got was a "**** you Red Bull" from Alonso himself before the award giving and the FIA didn't batter an eyelid afterwards.

    The only difference was Seb got past and won, Alonso didn't and got 3rd. It was still dangerous driving at both situations though!

    Anyway the only person I blame are the (((((((Italian and Spanish))))) stewards for their inconsistency. If their was consistency I would of had no problem with the penalty towards Seb.

    I have my opinion, you sure have your own, but for me I don't care or want to talk about it anymore as I got 1 word for this situation (BOLLOCKS!) make of that as you will!
     
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  9. Smithers

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    As said previously, the rule is flawed!
     
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  10. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member
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    Sorry if I somehow missed this being mentioned but...

    Austosports Driver ratings

    1. Sebastian Vettel 7/10
    Started: 5th Finished: 22nd
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard)

    2. Mark Webber 4/10
    Started: 11th Finished: 20th
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard)

    3. Jenson Button 8/10
    Started: 2nd Finished: DNF
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard-retired)

    4. Lewis Hamilton 9/10
    Started: 1st Finished: 1st
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard)

    5. Fernando Alonso 9/10
    Started: 10th Finished: 3rd
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard)

    6. Felipe Massa 8/10
    Started: 3rd Finished: 4th
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard)

    7. Michael Schumacher 8/10
    Started: 4th Finished: 6th
    Strategy: 2 stops (medium-hard&#8211;hard)

    8. Nico Rosberg 7/10
    Started: 6th Finished: 7th
    Strategy: 2 stops (medium-hard-hard)

    9. Kimi Raikkonen 8/10
    Started: 7th Finished: 5th
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard)

    10. Jerome d'Ambrosio 7/10
    Started: 15th Finished: 13th
    Strategy: 1 stop (hard-medium)

    11. Paul di Resta 7/10
    Started: 9th Finished: 8th
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard)

    12. Nico Hulkenberg 6/10
    Started: 24th Finished: 21st
    Strategy: 1 stop (hard-medium)

    14. Kamui Kobayashi 6/10
    Started: 8th Finished: 9th
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard)

    15. Sergio Perez 9/10
    Started: 12th Finished: 2nd
    Strategy: 1 stop (hard-medium)

    16. Daniel Ricciardo 7/10
    Started: 14th Finished: 12th
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard)

    17. Jean-Eric Vergne 5/10
    Started: 16th Finished: DNF
    Strategy: 0 stops (medium-retired)

    18. Pastor Maldonado 6/10
    Started: 22nd Finished: 11th
    Strategy: 2 stops (hard-medium-medium)

    19. Bruno Senna 6/10
    Started: 13th Finished: 10th
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard)

    20. Heikki Kovalainen 6/10
    Started: 17th Finished: 14th
    Strategy: 2 stops (medium-hard-medium)

    21. Vitaly Petrov 7/10
    Started: 18th Finished: 15th
    Strategy: 2 stops (medium-hard-medium)

    22. Pedro de la Rosa 6/10
    Started: 23rd Finished: 18th
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard)

    23. Narain Karthikeyan 6/10
    Started: 21st Finished: 19th
    Strategy: 1 stop (medium-hard)

    24. Timo Glock 6/10
    Started: 19th Finished: 17th
    Strategy: 2 stops (medium-hard-hard)

    25. Charles Pic 6/10
    Started: 20th Finished: 16th
    Strategy: 2 stops (medium-hard-hard)


    Alonso, Perez and Hamilton are the join 'winners' with Webber the 'looser'
     
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  11. Kyle?

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    Why did Vergne only get 5? His car broke, it wasn't his fault.

    And how D'Ambrosio got a 7 is a mystery to me.
     
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  12. JonnyBaws

    JonnyBaws Well-Known Member

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    Totally disagree with these ratings, Pastor should of got 11/10 for not hitting anyone!
     
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  13. Smithers

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  14. TomTom94

    TomTom94 Well-Known Member

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    And there was me thinking on initial reflection that the ratings were actually correct. D'Ambrosio deserves a 5 at best, KERS failure or not. Vergne was poor in qualifying so I see his 5. Not sure what more Senna has to do to impress Autosport.
     
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  15. Kyle?

    Kyle? New Member

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    Change his first name and drive for McLaren?
     
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  16. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    I think Benson also works for Autosport.
     
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  17. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    It has always been illegal to crowd another driver off the track. <ok>
     
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  18. Kyle?

    Kyle? New Member

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    Unless you're german and have a reasonably large chin...
     
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  19. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    I think the autosort scores maybe right for once <ok>
     
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  20. Pit Lane Charlie

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    He gets the 2 extra points for not being Grosjean.
     
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