When the independent panel smashes the tenuous link on reality and truth that ignorant bigots have clung to..... 1) the fans of which club 2) Which newspaper 3) Which newspaper journalist Will be the first to try and change the subject to Heysel?
No it's not gonz but donga's right, there will deffo be a reference to Heysel made. The ****s cant differentiate between 85 and 89.
Let's just wait and see what the report actually says. As for the gobshites that want to refer to Heysel then let's ram it back down their throats.
"Football supporters were second-class citizens who had forfeited the right to trust and respect. They were a social disease which had to be contained. We were about to enter an era in which fans were caged – and died because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time." http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-get-the-truth-at-last-this-week-8120111.html
A few months back, just after the FA semis, I was having a chat in the messroom with a colleague (Spurs fan) who was asking, reasonably, why we wouldn't play on 15th April. It was amicable and we both agreed that no-one should be playing on 6pm on a Sunday, and that the perfect solution would have been for both semis on the saturday, with us and everton at villa Park or Manchester, given the rail enginerring that weekend too. In buts the resident Manc Man U fan "Why do you still deny was ticketless fans involved in Hillsborough?" There then followed a twenty minute, ever increasingly angry exchange where ticketless fans, fans in the pub till the last minute, 'some gates' 'actually were broken down' and 'credit cards of the dead were used later at ATM's' were destroyed by a continuous stream of facts from the Taylor Report and, to their credit, my other colleagues chipping in about police altered statements and the initial lies about the fans breaking down gate C. "Yes, but the police lie about everything, we all know that" ( said the man who'd earlier mouthed- off by saying he had mates in SYP who told him the Taylor Report was a pre agreed whitewash to appease Micheal Howard (yes!)) but what about your momument at Anfield to the 96? Where's the one to the 39 at Heysel?" "Outside the Centenary stand, and I presume you'll come back with more than headlines from the Sun next time you want to lose an argument". Really, you calmly and forensically destroy these peoples' bile and they just spit back like cornered rats. Oh, and he finished off by saying that if the taylor report was so true, why were no police ever prosecuted.... How do you answer that?
'Thumbs up' icon. This is not a PR exercise, it's for the relatives and the memory of those they lost. Juventus fans know our attitude to Heysel and they're the ones who matter in that.
I just hope tomorrow puts an end to the ''always the victims, its never your fault'' chants. The ones that chant that are ignorant, and ignorance is bliss.
You're in dream world if you think that will happen. No matter what comes out of tomorrow, the chants and ignorance will continue because all clubs have a fickle bunch, hence the Munich, Hillsborough and Heysel chants Hope some good can come from tomorrows report though. I couldn't care less about opposition fans thoughts etc, I want the families to get some justice and possibly a bit of piece of mind too
We all hope that mate It's been a fight they should never have had to fight and tomorrow may well be just the start of the next stage. It's never easy for ordinary folk to fight the establishment but at least they have finally got some help from a few of the top lawyers (better late than never). YNWA
The Chief Superintendent was prosecuted: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/848798.stm The jury failed to reach a verdict which meant that, whilst they weren't convinced of his guilt beyond reasonable doubt, there was sufficient doubt in their minds not to find him innocent.
If the truth comes out that it was the fault of the Yorkshire police and not the fault of the Liverpool fans, then surely the ''Always the victims, its never your fault'' chants will stop. As there will be clear evidence which proves as much.
The chief inspector ordered the gates to be opened to relief the pressure, because the crush was happening outside the ground. Was this the wrong call? With the benfit of hindsight yes. But he made a decision to try and help a bad situation. The bad part is that the police tried to wash there hands of any blame, and tried to place the blame at the hands of the supporter. The ambulances where not allowed onto the field and would have saved lifes, and the injured that where in the sportshall never recieved as good treatment as they could have. What the Sun wrote at the time was a discrace, and the attitude of some of the people in control was discusting, hopefully the truth will come out tomorrow and the families can move on a little.
Tomorrow isn't the end and we've already had the end of the begining. What I pray for tomorrow is that it is the start of closure for the families. To me that is all that matters. As for the chants -well let them we KNOW the truth about what they are chanting and we can laugh at their ignorance and lack of respect. It can only hurt us if we let it.
I'm not trying to pick hairs here but the supposed crush outside the turnstiles was the police's fault. If you ever went to Anfield prior to the 80's you would find the police were pro-active. On horseback the broke up groups and formed them into lines. It was easy and effective
