All I saying is the belittling nature of your post against Rodgers is built on speculation without real foundation . Fill your boots though valley , whatever turns your crank . Rodgers did a great job at bringing in good transfers & loans to help get us to the Premier . When Rodgers did go he made sure he signed a long term commitment toward us so we would get good money for him . When Allen left , we got awesome money for him . Rodgers signed Sinclair for a million & we sold him for 7 million . These are facts . Who might or might not have broken transfer rules & such aren't facts .... yet !
Funny but it didn't register with me that Shanghai could have been Casual. Looking at the patronising manner of postings and apparent hostility towards myself I can understand why Valley would think it. So Shanghai, no accusations from me just a question, Are you Casual fan ?
I am not saying he didn't play his part for our club at all, show me one post where I have done this! As for belittling him on the blarney crap he is spinning, this is my opinion of him, you say its without foundation, tell me where is Allen right now, is Siggy playing for us right now? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what is plainly in front of your eyes Breezy, the guy is underhanded and double dealing, if you don't want to believe it so be it, but perhaps you will change your mind if Vorm goes and maybe Williams follows after. I for one hopes he gets sacked before he can pillage our team as he is using inside information to gain an advantage. This kind of thing is not allowed in many industries as its in fact inside trading, but football it appears is the exception to the rule. Crash and burn Brendan, I have money on it that you do. Like I had money on it when Laudrup came to us.
Allen , Sinclair & Siggy are where THEY want to be , it's as if some think they had no role in there own departure . Allen & Sinclair held there own future in there hands & 22 million was handed over to us .... fact , not opinion . The difference between you & me valley is I suspect Rodgers will struggle at Liverpool , you hope he does . I'm totally good with Rodgers & how he behaved after leaving us , unless facts come to light that say different .. Cheers !
If we could offer new contracts to Dyer, Vorm and Williams, not only will it give us that extra security, but it would mean Rogers wouldn't have a clue about any details of their new contracts. I can't see him coming for anyone else.
Yes, just check my past usernames and you can see who I've been in the past. Just moved, so fancied a changed of name, as is allowed by the forum rules. Up to 5 times I think.
Yes its down to the player, and as adults they make their own decisions. But when someone is tapped up through the press its quite obvious that will turn people's heads, Liverpool are a big club with a great history, who wouldn't want to play for such a big club comes in for you, unless a better club scuppers the deal? The problem I have with Brendan is his gob, even the Liverpool fan on here has mentioned it, he needs to shut the **** up and get on with his job. the other difference with you and I is that you think that Brendan has behaved good, and I just happen to think he hasn't, and I have outlined why I think so already so I won't repeat them. Also when he comes back, do you think people are going to applaud him in the Liberty? Do you honestly think that nigh 20k fans will think, oh well done Brendan you have done good, you have only used inside information to get a player and turned his head, and killed the siggy deal in the water? And then give him a round of applause. Or do you think he will get a barrage of abuse? I go to the ground Breezy, I hear what the chat is around the ground, I know what will happen.
I don't think that would work, because I think agents like touting players around (as it earns them money), so they would just say to Rodgers... "x has a 10m get-out clause" or whatever. Hard to keep these things secret. But is there any ethical way to deal with transfers. We have bought players, so how did we do it? I assume we did it by what's considered the correct way, which is to ask the club in question. But is that ethical? It seems that if one club asks another and they agree, then the player doesn't get much say in it. Yes, the could say no, but by then they know they're not wanted, so why should they stay. So everyone involved is acting "bad" in some or another. There is no perfect answer and what we have is probably as good as it can be.
Also , If Shanghsaiswan is Casual fan , is that really a big deal ... There are tons of fans that go to the grounds that probably disagree with you valley , but nice try !
Yes there are probably tons of fans who disagree with me, but I am telling you now that Brendan will not get a round of applause at the ground, I can almost guarantee it as people are rightly pissed off at him and the way he has acted since he left. As an indication of that, lets look at the forum for a cross section of people, I would say 95% of who are swans fans on here think that the guy is underhanded. That will probably reflect onto the Liberty as well when we play them.
My view is about his return to the liberty. I will not boo nor applaud him. He is now nothing to us. I do not like the underhanded way in which he poached (for want of a better word) Allen. But i am with valley on this one as for the way i feel about him.
Well said that man. Brendan has every right to go for any player he chooses and if we or any club agrees then so be it....I told you all that a gentleman's agreement is not worth worrying about because every player has rights and should they want to move then all they have to do is slap in a transfer request....Brendan is the liverpool manager and he must do whatever he can to make them better and if that means coming in for any of our players then he is entitled to do that...This agreement is a farce and cant be implemented if the player or players involved say they cant do that...I told you at the time it cant happen and i was right...Brendan dont give to figs what the fans or jenkins thinks as this is business and he must put liverpool first and that is the right thing to do.....
"the agreement can be set aside if both sides agree." How many times do I have to say this?? OK let's try shouting.....THE AGREEMENT WASN'T SET ASIDE & WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE!!!! The agreement was irrelevant when Allen was made 'for sale' through the back door by Rodgers triggering the release clause. How anyone can argue that whilst perfectly legal, this wasn't against the spirit of the agreement is completely beyond me. Rodgers knew we wanted to keep our best players and crucially he agreed to it to facilitate his departure. He then got around what he'd agreed using what lawyers call "sharp practice". Legal, but morally very suspect. "In Allen's case he wanted to leave, so you can't blame Rodgers for that. Rodgers is an easy scpaegoat for many on here." A scapegoat implies things have gone wrong and Swans fans are looking for someone to blame. They haven't and we aren't. A scapegoat for what? Allen "wanted to leave" after the initial agreement- breaking offer of £12.5M. All parties knew it was a breach but Rodgers also knew it would have the effect of unsettling the player. When we justifiably stonewalled and HJ put out a statement that the Club was disappointed because we thought our players were protected, Rodgers was forced into upping the ante to leave us no choice. Now if you think all that is OK and is 'part of football' that's fine, but it doesn't make what happened morally right and it certainly doesn't mean to say that Rodgers has behaved impeccably because even his greatest supporters can't say that can they? The fact things have worked out doesn't mean Swans fans are not entitled to feel animosity towards a guy who has behaved immorally and probably laughed privately how clever he was to circumvent the agreement - OK that's just my take. Shangai/Casual: Don't assume that because there is overwhelming animosity towards Rodgers that it occupies most fans' every waking thought. I suspect it doesn't. But when the topic of Rodgers comes up don't expect us to praise the guy who tried to **** us over to advance his own career. We're entitled to be pissed off so get over it.
Brendan has done nothing wrong and me and all my mates will welcome him with a round of applause as he enters the arena.....there will be a few boo's around but they will be from kids and sour grapes fans, the majority of us will appreciate what he did while he was with us....He has moved on and so have the majority of the fans..
I didn't say I didn't appreciate his time as a manager with us Dai, and said so when he left. But to say he's done nothing wrong when I've accurately set out his subsequent behaviour above beggars belief. The evidence suggests he made an agreement with us so he could facilitate his departure, knowing he was going to circumvent it in the case of at least one player - and there may be more in future. Done nothing wrong? Come on.
heres my outsiders take on matters: as i see it there was a 'gentlemans' agreement for BR not to sign a swansea player. he went against this and is therefore not a gentlemen, a lier. this agreement is totally unenforceable but thats not the point - he said one thing then went totally against it. whether you are laughing your way to the bank or not, i suspect the anger towards BR is that he said he's a jack but tried to go against an agreement. although this has happened before with rodgers at waford, he said one thing and did another, a lepeord never changes its spots..... similar thing happened here when mackay signed cowie, watford fans were up in arms that he was 'dismantling' his ex team. there was no agreement though, and i think therein lies the difference.... mackay never promised anything... you all knew rodgers is ruthlessly ambitious, he's had a chance to advance his career and took it, these things happen all the time. if mackay gets us promoted then moves on, then so will i.
It was a formal, agreement Swamp but that doesn't matter. Whatever the case, it was specific and in common with similar agreements in football, that he couldn't come in for our players for 12 months unless another club did so or the player was "put up for sale". He got in through the back door by making Allen for sale by triggering the release clause. Absolutely nothing we could do. Dilli
