Shanghai, there is a different point here. there was an agreement in place between both clubs that for 12 months. they/he wouldnt come back for any of our players. that agreement lasted about 2 weeks.
I think Valley's got it nailed on, can't for the life of me think why any Swans fan would see it any other way.
It's ****ing rich saying about the negatives casual numpty, all your threads all focusing on the negative side of things for months just shows what an and total hypocrite you are, now go back and infest the Cardiff forum where you belong !
I don't focus on the negative; I focus on the reality. Many/most football fans are very emotional about their teams and not able to see the reality. Yes there was an agreement in place (although we don't know exactly what it was/is), but it's a FACT that agreements can be nullified if both parties to it agree. From what I've read it was in the agreement that Liverpool could buy players from us if we agreed. But how can we agree if they aren't allowed to ask? If you want players to stay for the full term of the contract then the only thing you can do is not agree to get-out clauses and stick to the term. But most teams don't want that either. Fans/clubs/players all want what's best of them and don't care if the same circumstance happens in reverse. It's done now, so get over it.
Valley spot on mate. And as The "messiah" has been mentioned. Some people train dogs, you could say dogs are easier to train than footballers ! This picture can be found in Brendan Rodgers’ home. Honestly. You do have to wonder what the motivation could possibly be for someone to have a portrait of themselves on their wall. please log in to view this image It just shows how very humble he is, only a very humble & sincere person would deign to have a self portrait of themselves in their house. Link: http://www.byfarthegreatestteam.com/posts/people-train-dogs-brendan-rodgers-educates-players/ please log in to view this image I wonder what the one finger is for ......................... how many points they`ve got so far or perhaps .................... how many strikers they`ve got. You can draw your own conclusions. Just wait until the meditation & relaxation classes start !!!!!!!!!!!!!! He`ll always be a Jack ........... please log in to view this image please log in to view this image Yeah, right, whatever.
Maybe because you're only able to see one side of a debate. Open your mind and you may see the other side. Not everything is black and white (no pun intended).
I partly agree with you, but we haven't seen this agreement so we don't know exactly what it says. As mentioned above, agreements can be set aside and one party to the agreement is allowed to ask for this to be done. That's just normal business practice. In any case, I don't think the agreement would have held up in court considering the fact that Allen had a get-out clause. So the agreement with Liverpool was in conflict with the get-out clause that allowed Allen to move to Liverpool. Maybe a bit silly having agreements that can't be enforced. Liverpool could have interpreted it differently. Only a court can decide for sure. So the short answer is that we don't know. I'm surprised that Huw/the board/Swans have drawn up an unenforceable agreement in the first place. Any Swans fan should be able to see this, even if they don't agree with it.
22 million for a Rodgers & Allen ( both wanted to leave ) and there's complaining , think it's shanghai hitting the nail here .Reality is amiss at times .
Be careful Breezy. With view like that you'll be marked down by Dilli and Valley as a Cardiff fans. After all, Dilli just said (above) "can't for the life of me think why any Swans fan would see it any other way". So either you're not a Swans fan or Dilli needs a lesson in thinking things through. And before you say it Dilli, not trying to have a confrontation, just pointing out the obvious. So how does Breezy (a Swans fan) think this? Can you work it out yet?
So here's another way to look at it. Rodgers did wrong by breaking the agreement - so what. Liverpool ended up near bottom of table and we ended up 2nd with 22m extra. You should all be celebrating and laughing at Rodgers. If someone does something bad to you, and as a result of that you end up better off, you thank them. That will **** them off much more than being angry at them. FFS, laugh - we still won.
While I agree that we move on and be grateful of our success so far and laugh at Rogers bad start, it doesn't mean we can just roll over when someone craps on us. I do believe we're better off and I do believe that Rogers and Liverpool are worse off with each other, that doesn't mean we've got to be happy with it. Not bitter, just a bit pissed off
The only things we knew 100% is we got 15 million for Allen & he obviously wanted to go to Liverpool ( because he went ) . , everything else is speculation . For some to look pessimistically at the fact he's gone , rather than look optimistically at what we got for him are truly missing the big picture IMO .
And the player wanted to leave. What does that tell you? He hardly did the same thing with Sigurdsson, quite the opposite. Being a little too cynical there. He went to Spurs for the money in the end. There was nothing backhand regarding Dempsey - the website thing wasn't his fault, and even if it was anything to do with LFC or our owners it wouldn't have been Rodgers. 'By the looks of things'? By a newspaper article? I wish everything in those articles were true, because we'd have a far better team now! No he doesn't, don't be so dramatic. I agree that he does however seem to like a soundbite! Which is fine as long as results follow.
Rodgers leaving was up to him though, he obviously thought he was bettering himself and getting on with things. However him coming back and using inside information to trigger a clause in Allen's contract, despite promising not in an agreement strikes me as underhanded. He deliberately tapped him up through the press in the same way as he did for Siggy and Dempsey. He has admitted that he used the press in this manner. And certain Liverpool fans have said it on here. Now it appears he trying to do this with Vorm and maybe other players at our club, now some like casual numtpy will be happy with that as they don't support the Swans, me and most of the others think its underhanded, and Liverpool are being shown up for what they are, a club owned by people who brings shame to their proud history. I have Brendan to be fired before the New Year, I hope he crashes and burns, not because he left, simply because of the way he is acting. He will never be considered a 'Jack' any longer, and spilling the blarney that he is, is just bullshit coming from the man. Joe Allen by the way will always be considered a Jack because this is his boyhood club, he has treated us with dignity through out it all.
That is up to him, but at the end of the day if the king of spin didn't tap him up in the press, and then got Craig Bellamy to do his work for him in TeamGB things might have been different. And what it tells me out of it all is that Liverpool throws money around like a drunken sailor and he's gone for the money. He didn't do the same thing with siggy ? Come on ffs he basically said listen siggy if things don't work out for you at swansea. we will sign you ! All in the press <wink><wink> I pissed myself that he chose Spurs over you, the same as Dempsey! Yes he does, he likes the sound of his own voice, have you heard the terms of 'terrific' for the players, 'proud' to be part of the club, and 'lots of positives' when you lose a game? Yep I bet you have as he spilled the same crap with us.
I have No problem with Rodgers leaving for Liverpool. I would have been amazed if he didnt. I have no issue with Allen leaving for them either and wish him every luck with the rest of his career. What i cant abide is the way Rodgers, despite this agreement, which has be put out in the press by both clubs was broken within a couple of weeks. That is just totally underhand. How many people knew about the release clause outside the club. Maybe 2 Rodgers and Allens agent. Yes, i am glad of the money we have recieved from Liverpool and i have moved on. It is just that this man will not go away.
