Awful comparison. The fact is EBT's were not illegal during their use, the SPL never pulled us up despite audited accounts submitted every season (apart from Whyte's fun & games which I really hope he gets come-uppance from) and any "side payments" are a nonsense and nothing more than a club handing them a car or any other incentive. My work don't have to disclose any bonuses of mine to the ICE or the company auditors. The SPL are chasing a green & grey shadow on money they don't have. Irony? I nearly pished myself.[/QUOTE] EBTs were not illegal, it was the way they were used to pay contractual obligations, tax free, monthly, that were illegal Your bonus, do you pay tax on it? If you received it as an EBT and had to pay it back is it still a bonus? If you received it as an EBT and didn't pay it back is it still an EBT or a tax dodge? If you had a letter confirming you didn't have to pay it back would you count that as a contract? If you don't understand this I suggest you STOP WATCHING PRISON BREAK
So was he right or wrong in your opinion? Do you agree that the decisions to treat Rangers as they have been treated was driven by bigotry? So we agree that wanting to see Rangers fail is not âBigotedâ, fair enough. His âchinningâ of Alex Thomson was utter nonsense, a perfect example of what we discussed earlier on. According to Graham, Thomson is agenda driven, apparently itâ âTimmyâ Thomson now. From my point of view Graham is as bad as McGillivan if not worse, I concede that you will not agree so we will have to agree to disagree on the subject of Chris Graham. Frank, I thought weâd actually passed the stage of primary school insults, so please donât be flippant. Mutual respect is when people never sang songs about child abuse or deaths at football stadia, as far as I can recall (and Iâm somewhat older than you) there has never been mutual respect, by and large it is hate. Why? Most of the blogs I have mentioned are not âFootballâ blogs per se, they are propaganda driven by sectarianism, examples are replete. Bill McMurdo several weeks back wrote a whole article on it and compared Celtic to Penn State, that is how I came to know of his blog because Rocket posted it verbatim. As I said, examples of sectarianism are replete. Thatâs a myth Frank, and it will be shown as such when the FTT decision is released later this month. The EBTâs are not the issue anyway, the Dual Contracts/Side letters are. If the side letters exist then ALL the players who had one were incorrrectly registered with the SFA, a team were kicked out of the Scottish Cup last season because a player's name had been spelled incorrectly, so I don't see how Rangers can be let off if they are Guilty, can you?
What's your thoughts on the understating of crowd figures by celtc in order to avoid paying tax? Something that went on for decades. Should they be docked titles for that? This tax evasion has been openly admitted and not brought on by hopeful speculation so the case wouldn't be too difficult. Do you think this is worth an inquiry? If you ask me I would say no, those titles were won on the pitch. Nobody wants the game ending up being determined by who has the best PR team and lawyers, the game is in the gutter enough as it is.
Frank, Ben Johnson and Lance Armstrong won their titles too, no one disputes that, however they have still had their titles stripped. It's not a matter of debate, IF Rangers are guilty then they have as much right to the titles as Ben Johnson has to his Olympic gold. If someone can prove Celtic cheated the Taxman then they should do so, I know they manipulated the attendance figures for years, most Tims do, but proving something is different from knowing something.
By the way Frank, this is a blog written by Chris Graham in February. He deleted it from his blog just before he went on STV to talk about Rangers woes. The Enemies of Rangers Football Club February 16, 2012 55 Comments “You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.” Winston Churchill It has been interesting, if not surprising, to watch the emergence of the enemies of our football club over the past few days. I think there is a danger over this period when our minds are rightly focussed on making sure Rangers survive and prosper that we forget some of the people who wish to see the club die. There are some obvious ones who we are well aware of already like Philip McGillivan and Peter Lawwell but there are others who will now be jumping on the bandwagon. So, with that in mind I’ve decided to keep a note of them. This post will be updated with the names and quotes from the people who want to see our club go out of business and are revelling in the possibility. 1) Mike Small – ” Who?” I hear you ask. Well it seems Mike is a friend of Philip McGillivan (Rangers hater and IRA supporter). He is described on the Guardian website, who gave him the platform to spew his hatred, as “the Editor of Bella Caledonia”. This in fact appears to be a blog much like this one but Mike clearly has ideas above his station. I won’t be providing links to either the Guardian piece he wrote on the 14th February or his blog because, frankly, I would prefer not to give them the hits but let me provide you with a few quotes from it. “The club’s slide into administration could help rid Scottish football of ritualised bigotry and intergenerational hatred” “After the loyalty she has been shown over the years, how can Her Majesty allow her Revenue & Customs to behave in this manner?” “Establishment voices mutter confidently of the club’s fanbase and that the “”club will never die”. Such macho posturing is a default setting from the club’s supporters (who numbered 17,822 at the recent home defeat to Dundee United)” “Rumours swirl that Graeme Souness waits in the wings like a moustachioed Sauron.” I’m sure we can all agree that Mike is a funny guy….He may just be an idiot who believes everything his pal Philip tells him but I suspect he has his own hatred to keep him going, with his perception that Rangers are the root of all bigotry being a particular give-away. 2) Iain McGill – Again a rather obscure one but he is the Conservative Party candidate for Edinburgh Central and as such represents his party in what he says. He is also pictured on his website shaking hands with David Cameron. I wonder what the PM would think of McGill’s views after his wholehearted support for Rangers today? Mr McGill had the following to say on Mike Small’s piece in the Guardian: Mr McGill not only has political aspirations but describes himself as a “businessman”. He is a director of Harmony Employment Agency http://www.harmonyemployment.com/meet-the-staff.html. Maybe he will find that Rangers fans who unwittingly use his services may decide not to, given his hatred for our club? Then perhaps he will see just how funny it is when businesses get into trouble and people face losing their jobs. Anyone who is not on Twitter and would like to contact Iain to discuss his views can do so via this link http://www.voteiainmcgill.com/contact.aspx 3) Peter Lawwell – Well he had a chance to act in a dignified and magnanimous way but that isn’t really Peter’s way is it? Despite all evidence to the contrary he is adamant that his club don’t need Rangers. Perhaps he thinks people are interested in the outcome of a one team league? But really it’s just another chance for him to have a dig. Here is the quote today, I’m sure there will be many more… “We are very disappointed with the First Minister’s claims that Celtic ‘need’ Rangers and that Celtic ‘can’t prosper unless Rangers are there’. “This is simply not true. In a series of interviews given just three days ago, we made it abundantly clear that Celtic has a well defined strategy and a business plan independent of the fortunes of any other club. That remains absolutely the case.” 4) Matt McGlone – Now I hesitated to add this because Matt’s performance on Scotland Tonight on the 16th February was so shambolic that he’s more a figure of fun than a serious enemy. Indeed you could argue that the sight of him and Michael Kelly bickering was a genuine moment of light entertainment for us in hard times. Perhaps one day we will learn what the stuttering McGlone means when he says that Celtic are a “culture of people”? However he has been added because despite the clown like fashion in which he put his point across there was no mistaking the hatred and desperation behind it. Michael Kelly might have been added too but actually after getting off to a bad start with the political point scoring he obviously felt necessary he seemed to return to his senses and realised that Celtic do indeed need Rangers and that Rangers “will continue”. Of course with crowds of 60,00 every week at Celtic Park ( no sniggering) they will soon be playing in the EPL……. 5) Neil Lennon – Well it was never likely that old popcorn teeth was going to be able to keep his mouth shut was it? Fresh from moaning about people commenting on his club he decides to comment on ours. Suffice to say he just couldn’t stop himself but with his past behaviour and abuse of our fans and players he could have been on this list straight away anyway 6) Hugh Keevins – Once again this is not a surprise name to appear on the list. Hugh has a long history of putting the boot into Rangers whilst sticking up for his team, Celtic. However this time he’s written a piece in the Daily Record ‘blog’ on 19th February which even the Celtic View might have thought twice about publishing. It’s long been a tactic of the media in Scotland to feed Celtic fans’ paranoia and this should do the job no matter what the outcome of Rangers’ administration. Well done Hugh, it’s quite possible that somebody, somewhere will be the victim of an act of violence because you felt the need to write lies in your paper. I’m sure the irony in the last quoted line of his ridiculous article won’t be missed. It’s you and your ilk who stoke the hatred with lies Hugh – and you know that. “ the unmissable smell of favouritism has started to rise from Rangers’ journey back from administration” “Celtic fans have carried the firm conviction for 100 years and more that Rangers are the ‘Establishment’ club in Scotland – and now they’re getting evidence to support their claim” “ he said Rangers were “part of the fabric of society” in Scotland. Which makes Celtic what, precisely?” “ the public purse has been dipped in a way that’s given cause to widespread concern and police intervention” “Severe penalties will need to be imposed on the Ibrox club” “a repeat of last season’s unedifying end to the championship looms on the horizon” “now’s the time for the leading players in this off-field drama to be careful what they’re saying for fear of inflaming an already combustible situation” 7) Vespbar, 14 Drury Street, Glasgow G2 5AA – Obviously there are lots of Celtic bars out there that Bears would not frequent and vice versa. However, Vespbar in Glasgow’s city centre doesn’t advertise itself as such. It’s owners however have adopted the highly suspect “Jelly and Ice Cream when Rangers die” slogan to attract Celtic fans to their bar. I think it’s important that Rangers fans know just what the views of the owners of this place are and hopefully you will all choose to avoid it. They have since deleted the offending tweet although they are retweeting Celtic fans on a regular basis with the #jellyandicecream tag. A tag which, if I supported a club that was embroiled in a child abuse scandal, I might choose to avoid… “Got the Celtic game on today, showing on our big screen (120 inches). Ice cream and jelly at full time. “ 8) Stuart Cosgrove – Stuart is a busted flush. It seems perhaps he knows this since his ‘comedy’ show “Off the Ball” on BBC Radio Scotland seems to have become more and more bitter as time has passed. Stuart seems to know about a criminal tax investigation that the rest of us are not aware of. He also seems to think he knows the outcome of this fantastical investigation which he unveiled on his show on the 18th February. Stuart has previous as a Rangers hater and is a big fan of using the word “hun” on his show. Not likely to be the only BBC employee on this list by the time we are done. “Rangers have cheated their way to titles with illegal tax mechanisms” I would ask those of you who read the blog to post comments here or tweet me including the names and quotes from people who revel in our misfortune over the coming weeks and months. If you can also provide links that would be helpful. I will update this post weekly so that when RFC is back on its feet we have a record of those who spoke out against us. http://chrisgraham76.wordpress.com/2...football-club/
Bomb the Vespbar Backing Craig Whyte "The tainted BBC's hatchet job" "St Mirren fans voted for their own club to go out of business rather than admit Rangers - that's a special kind of hatred" "I urge all bears to not watch any Celtic or SPL games this season - it is of no consequence." <kingoftheloons>
"They have since deleted the offending tweet although they are retweeting Celtic fans on a regular basis with the #jellyandicecream tag. A tag which, if I supported a club that was embroiled in a child abuse scandal, I might choose to avoid…"
funny rangers only declared 38,000 at there first home game yet charles greene said it was a sell out.
Incidentally, what Dev missed out of that infamous Ally-style piece of tear-stained drivel was the comments below. The woman that owned the Vespbar, her husband and children received death threats and had people picketing outside it - yer "articulate" man just bullied her - on Twitter, he's like some sort of circus leader for the mongs. He regularly re-tweets McMurdo's padded cell tripe, barracks journalists when any story relating to RC clergy talk about their antequated views on gay marriage, he converses with the most deranged Vanguard Bears guys, made fun of a Dundee United fan because he, *shock*, had an Irish name Then calls everyone else bigots He's my favourtie
I really can't be arsed multi quoting one post again. Thomson - His ramblings have been one way since day one, his pathetic and laughable claims of threats which ended up being made by a twitter account named "Leggo is blotto" showed him up as a complete clown. His endorsement of mental Phil's book confirmed it. A hatred of Rangers does exist and it helped drive the decision to omit us from the SPL. Not religious bigotry, as we are not a club based on religion but bigotry in the true meaning of the word. I grew up in Denny, a town split by both sets of supporters. The mutual respect was there. It isn't now. Side letters is a pipe dream and barely an administrative error. All teams should be investigated by this panel if there was an even handed approach, why aren't they? Lionel Hutz could drive the Vengabus through this case if they tried to take our titles.
Do you honestly think I'm going to read all that today? I've just had my running club weekly update appear in my inbox, so my Friday afternoon skiving material is sorted The fact that you did read that, as well as updating yourself on McMurdo, Leggo and Poole (who I have never heard of) says a lot more about yourself than anything else.
Do you honestly think I'm going to read all that today? I've just had my running club weekly update appear in my inbox, so my Friday afternoon skiving material is sorted The fact that you did read that, as well as updating yourself on McMurdo, Leggo and Poole (who I have never heard of) says a lot more about yourself than anything else.
Quick question. How do you know Phil is mad? Did you read his blogs or did Cwissy tell you what to think? One way, you're a hypocrite and the other, you're one of his "attack sheep" This is probably the most fitting pic yet please log in to view this image
It wouldn't be a case of "hmmm....side letter....right take the titles" It will be "hmmm.....side letter....result changed to 3-0 defeat, repeat for every game involved...where are Rangers now? Not champions "
Frank can't have read Phil's blog. He's got far too busy and interesting a life for that. <RunningClub>
