I dont want to sound like i'm blowing smoke up his arse, but Swarbs is pretty much spot on with regard to the mechanics of FFP, I'm not sure what he does for a living but he genuinley does know his **** when it comes to Company Law, accounting and finance issues. I don't agree with him on everything, but I wouldn't argue with him on stuff like that.
I'm afraid if any of these told me what day it was I'd be inclined to check my diary! Well worked out NOB - Or have you been made privvy to a little bit of inside info? Either way, I couldn't care less - This isn't a new account, it is merely a name change that was made following the departure of KD from Anifled - Lookslike you're 'Sources' didn't fill you entirely now does it...Another **** up from you clowns!
This ****ing clown still going. Still hasnt got a single thing right, not one. Plucking figures from thin air, confusing football clubs. Needs help this lad. Does any Liverpool fan who isnt considered a moron by his own board agree with anything this **** up says
UIR has just come on lunch at school I see! ****ing hell, that's make it complete. We now have the Chuckle Brothers and the Three Stooges on line together - All we need now is Abbot and Costello and we're good to go for a fun Friday afternoon! UIR, I have proven you and your illiterate buffoons wrong on every issue since the start of this thread. Shall I start another one and fire you down on that onew as well?
You are truly clueless The least intelligent person on the net. The sort of moron who should be locked up in the interest of the public. Not one person agrees with you. Slevin the Munich mocking **** doesnt count.
Can you prove that please because from what I've read, you're the one who's been proved wrong time and time again. And proof of that can be found.
Really?! I have just read this whole thread, and I know f**k all about FFP or Utds debt (nor do I give a crap), except what I have just learnt in this thread and it looks to me like the Utd boys have bent you over and cornholed you.
Denial is a form of disease, it spreads among a close circle of people and you have all infected each other. I think you'll find all of my points have been more than validtaed with the evidence submitted - You can't deny the facts presented before you yet, you wilkl continue to do so. In a vain attemot at retaining face, you have resorted to name calling and even returning to your own board to discredit my evidence as that is the onlyplace your own kind will give you the support you need. I feel there are some disturbing underlying issues that you all need to address and these may stem from a lack of love from your parents. Go out into the world and seek some counselling as I feel this would be the first step to recovery, those of you that continue to try and deny the facts presented on this and many other threads are beyond all help. I feel pity for you and hope you don't continue to spread your anger and denial to others who may yet be saved!
Whilst Swarbs has made excellent points, I believe that Whonext is also correct. There is very little in his statements that are actually wrong. All he's said that with the FFP any club with a sizeable interest repayment is going to suffer, even if they have a sizeable commercial port-folio. This is correct, because how can a club spend money that has been taken out? When its taken out, its no longer there. You cannot suggest that 'its a loan undertaken by the owners'' therefore the club money is still there. They are using club money to pay off such loan. There has also been nonsense written that it was in fact Liverpool that wanted the FFP introduced. Again this is wrong, as all they've said was they would adhere to any rules put in place by UEFA by ensuring that the club was self sufficient by expanding commercial growth and reducing expenditure. What in the name of christ is wrong with making comments like that?
Come on sunshine, show us where you have proved me or anyone wrong. If delusion is a disease I suggeat you seek medical help.
You've made comments that Manchester United in 2014 will have revenue of £500 million. You have not once provided evidence to back this up, nor do you have any.
For the record when ffp was announces united did a test run. We passed. We have increased revenue and kept wages well below the required levels. We have a low net spend on transfers and our debt while **** is easily serviced. Ffp will benefit united and in no way hamper us under the current rules. Debt us only bad for business when you cant pay it. You ****wits should look at liverpool who could well struggle to pass.
How about this summer, when you have a low net spend of £60 million. You've only brought in £4 million from player sales.
Contrary to what UIR, Swarbs, NOF or Contscrepe may have typed or linked, it is reported in United's own half year analysis that they expect revenue to in fact drop over the next 6 months therefore I find UIR (once again) incorrect in his predictions that united will raise their revenue to the amount claimed - This in itself is proof I have repeatedly proven you wrong. You can also refer back to the links I and even Swarbs has posted on here as eveidence that your counter arguements are nothing more than a veiled attempt to cover up your inept ability to converse on a reasonable level - I have provided you with ample proof, all you need to do is read what is in the links. I guess that's too much like hard work and is therefore cast aside out of hand!
You are correct in a way, but the bit in bold is all that really matters. Utd have a debt. The debt is paid out of the club's cash flow. Therefore it cannot be spent on anything else. That's really all that matters - FFP will make not a blind bit of different to that scenario. Ultimately, for United, costs will always have to be less than revenues because we have no sugar daddy to cover any losses. So it would be impossible to us to violate FFP rules without going into administration. Which loan are you talking about now? The bond issue is on Utd's books, that's a well accepted fact. But the Utd accounts do not show any club money going on paying any other debt. This is also all that Utd have said - we are happy UEFA is putting rules in place and will abide by those rules. The only person to claim Utd are campaigning for more rules is Dave Whelan. And I would have thought that Liverpool fans, out of all people, would know not to trust a word Dave "Roberto Martinez will be the next Liverpool manager" Whelan says...
To be fair there is an off chance that we could, but only as a one off. Our shirt deal will be due for renewal around that time and if a decent ammount is paid in one up front sum then our revenue for that year could be immense, but that would be a one off if it were to happen that way. I do expect our revenues to continue to grow in the near future as they have done year on year recently, but without a large upfront fee from the shirt deal happening, £500m by 2014 is a bit unlikely imo.
