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Fabregas frustrated at Barcelona

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  1. Arsenal87

    Arsenal87 Well-Known Member

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    I think he was given permission for that, plus our season was wrapped and dusted by then, we had nothing left to play for. You can also put this down to stupid things modern footballers do sometimes, remember what Bent did while Villa were playing, he was out shopping and posting it on twitter!
     
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  2. EmirAleks

    EmirAleks Well-Known Member

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    The right question is - would you pay 30 ml for Fabregas now? I would rather spend it on a top striker.

    But the fact is Arsenal will not pay this sort of money for Fabregas or any other player.
     
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  3. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

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    I couldn't give a monkey's **** about Darren Bent.As far as i'm concerned Fabregas showed a total lack of respect to AFC and its supporters
     
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  4. afcftw

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    A couple of things:

    1) It was not £29mil for Fabregas, but £29 rising to £35mil - so £35mil is the total cash received(or to be recieved as barca are slow at maming payments).

    2) It was a 50% sell on clauses not 35% - so should Fabregas be sold we get half of any transfer fee recieved for him.

    3) We have a first refusal on buying Cesc if Barca decide to sell. So basically we sold Cesc to Barca and where in a situation where he would only go there, if he was to be sold we would be in the same position Barca where. We would not get ripped off on a transfer back. The deal was done in a way that the door was open for a return to Arsenal for Fabregas.

    It's interesting to see him getting annoyed at his position in the team. At Arsenal he was the main man in everything now he is just another fantastic passer of the ball at Barca. Let's hope he gets more annoyed and he demands to leave. We get a cheap world class transfer and a midfield to compete with he best in europe.

    I'd take him back withou a second thought. He loved the club and you could tell he wanted to go but wanted things to end well with Arsenal. He is an Arsenal fan and has kept up o date with Arsenal news and supported us since he left. I very much hope one day we see him back in an Arsenal shirt and if AW remains Arsenal managewr for the next 10 years i'd say we will see Fabregas come back laer in his career.
     
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  5. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    Personally i think most people understood why Fabregas wanted to go and from what i saw he was mainly very respectful towards the club. He also had interes in prior seasons but rejected it. Nasri and RVP bailed at the first interest in them.
     
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  6. EmirAleks

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    If that is true then there is no way Fabregas can return to Arsenal even if he begs. Because even if we pay £30 ml for him ( and we will never do it) he will actually cost us £45 ml, because we will loose on that sell-on clause. Paradoxically by enclosing a sell-on fee we closed the door for Fab to come back. The whole arrangement makes the deal prohibitive.
    What would you do - pay £30 ml for Fab, or get £15 ml sell-on fee, add another £15 ml and buy a top, top striker? Of course neither will happen but the second option is much better to me.
     
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  7. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

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    Nasri & RVP only had a year remaining on their contracts and had informed the club they would not sign new contracts.Fabregas wanted to leave the club even though he had a lot longer than a year remaining on his contract
     
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  8. The Based God

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    He had integrity, it was Arsenal who treated Cesc poorly. He clearly wanted to leave after many trophyless seasons at Arsenal and would have only left for his boyhood club (sense of loyalty) if he wanted to leave his first choice would be Arsenal. So what's the problem?
     
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  9. Sanj

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    Eh? Did you think we were going to roll over and let Barca take him on a cut price deal?
     
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  10. SpursDisciple

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    Strange logic. Would only be true if you had budgeted for the £15m sell on fee. Otherwise it is just a notional loss and he would cost £30m like he would to anyone else. Have to say, I see nothing in the articles to say he is angling for a move, just irritated at not starting. Eventually he will take over from Xavi, but he has to be patient. Would have known this when he moved - all you guys were saying he was leaving for a place on the bench, do you think he was the only one who didn't know?
     
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  11. Sanj

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    Cesc is a different player to Xavi and I can't ever see him doing that role. Cesc is too impatient and he likes to go forward too much. Busquets and Thiago are players more suited to that Xavi role.
     
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  12. EmirAleks

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    I disagree, one year, five years - it does not matter. Fab has spent many years with AFC.
    RVP left us telling everyone that Arsenal was the wrong club to be with, that it had lost direction and that we did not know what we were doing. He left for money and for glory - for ManU. I say it again - MANU.
    Nasri (which actually means "go crap your pants" in Russian) spent there a couple of years, played a couple of decent games and left as soon as he was shown the money, so I do not care about this guy in the slightest.
    Fabregas just went home. He could have done it earlier, but stayed. It was not about the money, it was about playing with his best mates in his home town, in his country, for his boyhood club and arguably the best team in the history of club football. And he still loves Arsenal, he watches our games and sends them his supportive tweets ( no big deal, but I appreciate it).
    And what about "I will update you, guys" Rovin van fukcing Persie? Is he updating you?
     
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  13. EmirAleks

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    Of course we have to budget the sell on fee. By buying Fabregas back we are paying his market price plus we are loosing the sell on fee. That is £30 ml tfansfer fee and 15ml that we could get if he left for another club. As for the second part - I agree, most probably he will never leave Barca, so this is all just wishful thinking.
     
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  14. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia Forum Moderator

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    As far as i'm concerned Fabregas made a decision to leave the club the same way as Van Persie & Nasri did.There is no difference to me.The three of them are just ex players in my eyes.Perhaps we should save our support for those who want to wear the red shirt rather than worrying about ex players.
     
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  15. EmirAleks

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    I can not argue with this
     
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  16. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    We wouldn't have to pay market price for Fabregas though. If we have first choice to buy him and he says he wants to come back to Arsenal then they are in the same position we where and we would get a good deal. He still wouldn't be cheap but the deal in place allows us a good bargaining position if he wanted to return to Arsenal. They also owe us money on old transfers and i'm sure we could write some of that off as part of a deal. All he piss taking Barca have done out of us over transfers would give us a strength if going for Fabregas.
     
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  17. afcftw

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    Henry left and he remained an Arsenal legend - just because a player leaves a club doesn't make him a bad person or someone who we should just forget about...
     
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  18. afcftw

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    In-fact we have brought back old Arsenal players to good effect in recent seasons with Henry and Campbell.
     
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  19. EmirAleks

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    Anyway, if there is a 50 per cent sell on clause it is much better for us to let him go somewhere else for his market price and pocket the money. You are right though - we could get him much cheaper, but not just because we have first choice. The main reason is, again, the sell on clause. If Barca sells Fab to another club for, lets say £30 ml, they will get only £15 ml. The rest goes to Arsenal. So if we offer £16 ml, Barca will get all £16 ml . Interesting.
     
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  20. afcftw

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    Yup, the deal is set up so that it only makes sense to sell to us. So should Fabregas leave Barca the chances are it will be to us.
     
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