1 in 2 taraabt?

That's the point. He's been great in one and sh*t in the other.

That said, sort his nut out and he could become an all-time great. It's entirely his choice.

 

The point is, instead of preparing to play Chelsea in the premier league, we could easily be playing Bristol City or Barnsley in the Championship. I don't think his crucial goals against Spurs and Arsenal were too sh* t?

 

In my opinion if we are chasing a game for that crucial goal then we don't have a player more capable of getting it other than Taraabt.Whype the he'll would you not have that sort of player on the bench at the least?? granted that he hasn't been consitent but then who has?? Park hasn't set the world on fire but he's just a runner with the odd pass, hoillet is yet to find his feet, its great to have these work horses to win the ball back but what's the point if you can't then keep it or play that killer pass!!

 

1. Without Paddy Kenny and Shaun Derry we'd be preparing to play Barnsley aswell. Doesn't mean they're good enough for the PL though.

2. A season is 38 games, not 2.

 

The ultimate hope would be that the likes of Adel, Granero, Hoilett etc develop an understanding that allows them to prosper in unison.

I feel that something spectacular would have to happen on the training pitch for that to become a reality.

I feel that Taarabt is last in the pecking order of the above but remains the most skillful.

If Hughes didn't see enough in the last 10 games of last year to warrant a regular starting place then, reluctantly, I must agree that he has no future here and all the furore surrounding his contract and shirt number was little more than a sweetener from those up high to us fans.

 

He's an inconsistent, sometimes brilliant, enigmatic, stroppy young bloke whose natural game is not to defend.....it'll be some time before we have a good enough team to accommodate such a luxury. It's hard enough playing with 11 committed men as it is.

 

Not really! The amount of goals he both scored and set up that season won us that league and put us into the premiership. There is not a single player in the championship or premiership, outside the top 5, who could produce that much in 1 season. There are many Derrys and kennys out there......

 

Spot on Bob - Taarabt is like marmite, either love him or hate him. Just like marmite he needs to be tried to prove his worth. Certainly would put him ahead of SWP in the line up and can create something from nothing. Give him a consistent role in the team and I am sure that he can deliver, he has the surprise element that will scare the pants of many PL defenders. We saw many examples of his creativity at the end of last season and his confidence grew once he hit the net.

 

The funny season is clearly still very much with us. What planet are you living on? Seriously mate, that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say.

Not only do you get a player every season that does that with every promoted side, you have 15 Premier League Clubs outside the top five that have players that don't need to prove to anyone that they can be a hit in the Championship. Why? Because they're Premiership players for God's sake!

This reasoning is so simple, I can't see how its hard to take on Board. Do well in the Championship, that's brilliant. But if you flop at the next level up, what use is it now? You could level your argument at Neil Warnock's managerial capabilities. Walked the NPC so therefore, despite failing in the PL, he's still a top PL manager. It makes absolutely no sense!

Taarabt has the talent to do it but I believe in credit where its due and not a minute beforehand. He's not done it yet so he shouldn't be revered yet.

And I disagree with your comments RE Derry and Kenny. Without Derry doing all the Donkey-work to allow Taarabt play that season, we wouldn't have come up. Nor would we have if Clint Hill and Paddy Kenny hadn't played the way they did.

 

Name one player who has scored and created that many goals in a full championship season who is still playing now? What was it, 19-20 goals and the same in assists? Not forgetting the quality of those goals. All teams need a Derry and Kenny, but there are loads of players out there now who would have done the same job. Name a midfielder in the premiership who could really have made that contribution to a team, that isn't playing in the top 5 or 6 clubs? Only then can you be taken seriously penknife!!

 

dont give all that credit to Derry, Hulse did a lot of donkey-work as well

 

Just checked the stats for that season and no midfielder got near him. Holt was up there with him but as we know he's a striker......

 

But all the stats show is Adel is a brilliant championship player. What are his stats when starting in the PL? How many PL players have better stats than Adel at this level? Should definitely be on the bench and I'd use him only if we had two CDMs but can't see how he can start at the moment.

 

He's a luxury player and we aren't good enough to carry him. He is a lazy player, selfish and prone to childish tantrums. He is not a first choice pick for Morocco ( where are they ranked?) and is unintelligent as a footballer. A natural he may be and a good novelty act from time to time. He has not shown himself to be true premiership class and will lose us more games than he wins.

I hope he proves me wrong, but he is a thicko with no sense of professionalism or responsibility. A liability. Gone in January.

 

No one really played that well last year til towards the end and he improved greatly then. With the supposedly higher calibre of players we have signed, he should thrive in this new team.

But my thread was about the fact that taraabt is a player who has to be involved all the time. How can he prove himself in this division if he's going to be dropped every other game? If he plays in the ACON, he'll have about 12-13 games scattered about to prove himself!! And how many other clubs would give a player a 3 year improved deal and the coveted number 10 shirt if, as you say, he's not even good enough to get in the team? Especially the bit about being number 10, someone needs to explain that to me........

 

I would just ask you to look at your question for a few minutes and then consider how preposterous it is. You are asking me, what midfielders in the Premiership could be a hit in the Championship, which is a division below!!!

You are also asking me to give you Stats to indicate what players in the past have had as much an impact as Taarabt on a promotion campaign, regardless of the system, formation etc. For example, our system didn't really have an out and out striker as such as the entire thing revolved around letting Taarabt play his game.

Your entire argument is redundant mate because you have it back to front. Every season you have a bunch of players that score loads in the NPC but if they don't reproduce it in the PL, what fu*king use is a good Championship player to you? It wouldn't matter if Taarabt had scored 50 goals and got 100 assists in that League. If he can't do it in the next League up, he's no fu*king use to us!!

Taarabt is 23 now and is yet to play one, just one single good season in the top flight. Yet I could name you at least one player (although probably more) from every PL side that's had not just one, but a number of good seasons at that level and have proved without doubt that they're capable at that standard.

Here's a list of NPC players from the last couple of seasons that have contributed a similar amount to their Clubs at that level. Some a bit more (Lambert) and some a bit less (Vaz Te). But what they all have in common, each and every one of them including Tarbs, is that they're about as useful as tits on a bull if they can't step up to the current division they now occupy.

Ricky Lambert (Southampton), Ricardo Vaz Te (West Ham) last season alone. The season before: Danny Graham, Grant Holt, Shane Long, Scott Sinclair, Jay Bothroyd etc etc. The season before that there was another batch, the season before that there was another batch, the season before that there was another batch and so on and so forth.

 

50 goals and got 100 assists would be quite impressive though

 

How do we know he can't step up until he's given a chance week in week out? No player can control a game, assist the strikers and bang in goals from the stands(unless he's playing FIFA on his phone) not even messi!! That's what makes your whole counter argument a complete load of bo**ocks penknife........ But thanks swords, I've enjoyed our tete a tete today. If no one challenges our opinions, we don't learn anything in life. I think we've both had some good and s**t things to say on this.......

P.s. and that doesn't mean yours was the good and mine was the s**t!!

 

You can't get away that easily mate! He was given a chance last season and he fu*ked it up, culminating with his Fulham disgrace.

Its as crystal clear as mountain dew: Until you've proved yourself at the top level then you can't be regarded as a top level player.

Milkshake and Double Cheeseburger with that please...............