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Top 4 and bottom 4

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Cest Advocaat, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    After watching the Arsenal and Liverpool game this afternoon, I don think I would be too far off saying one club looked top 4 material and the other bottom 4.

    Arsenal have totally controlled the game all afternoon and that away from home. Liverpool just look like a lost team of individuals, struggling to mount any kind of attacking threat. Suarez is more isolated than a North Korean arms dealer and Gerrard is not the force he once was and that's Liverpool's problem. He has been the backbone of this Liverpool team for 7 or 8 years on his own but a combination of injuries and age are starting to show now and he is a yard slower and far less influential but still their best attacking player other than the young lad Sterling on the wing, who has been good.

    I don't know where Liverpool go from here as they have us away and Man Utd at home in their next 2 games and I'd fancy our chances at home and certainly Man Utd's at Anfield, which would leave them with 1 point from 5 games and already in huge trouble. If Suarez or Gerrard were to get injured, I seriously would have Liverpool in a relegation fight.

    Arsenal look top 4. Liverpool closer to bottom 4 than top 4 imo.
     
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  2. Meniscus

    Meniscus Active Member

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    Can't argue with that, look forward to dipping them deeper in the bin in a fortnight ;)
     
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  3. smithy in nl

    smithy in nl Well-Known Member

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    dont write stevie g off he is quality and weve got them nxt wk! so not gona jinx us in saying were gona win but i reakon weve got a good chance.
     
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  4. talcnturnip

    talcnturnip Well-Known Member

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    Get them beach balls ready lads if we do beat them the dippers fans will be a little nicked off to say the least. Know a couple of them and they say that he will be out of a job by Xmas and they are fairly mellow lads.
     
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  5. Gil T Azell

    Gil T Azell Well-Known Member

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    Like most people I believe there is a top 3. The Manchesters & Chelsea.
    After that it is a free for all with imo about 5 or 6 clubs who have a chance of getting that 4th spot.
     
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  6. SC SAFC

    SC SAFC Well-Known Member

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    Liverpool are not a bottom 4 team. They aren't doing to well like, and will stuggle to be top 10 imo

    My bottom 4
    Southampton
    reading
    villa
    qpr

    Pressure will be on Rodgers when we beat them next week like
     
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  7. ...And Out Come the Wolve

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    Like me :)
     
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  8. concrete tony

    concrete tony Well-Known Member

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    Southampton look canny to me.
     
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  9. Gil T Azell

    Gil T Azell Well-Known Member

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    Gonna do a Blackpool. Good to watch but lack experience.
     
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  10. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    Bin dippers think they have a divine right to be top 4 champions league material, wake up here's your coffee
     
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  11. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    I think Arsenal are well capable of being comfortable top 4, and when this Giroud gets going they will have a pretty good attacking unit and defensively, they looked very good today as well.

    Sheik City, Chelski, Utd and Arsenal are way out in front for those European Champions League places imo.
     
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  12. hordenmackem

    hordenmackem Well-Known Member

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    I would love to see L pool outside the top 10, can't see it happening but it would make my season. Agree with Roger, it would be a wake up call which is what they need.
     
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  13. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    If Liverpool had either Gerrard or Suarez injured, they would be absolutely knackered. They were so ordinary today I think most teams will play them without any fear or reserve.

    Attack them and they will fold like a pack of cards and they don't have much attacking threat if you keep a hold of the 2 best players. They are a 10th/11th team imo and if they suffer a couple of key injuries, maybe worse.
     
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  14. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Liverpool's issue more than anything is their refusal to accept that Suarez isn't a 25 goal striker. He scored what 11 last year, not good enough for a top 10 team never mind top 4.

    I also think they've dealt themselves a huge blow releasing Carroll and not replacing him and obviously Lucas will be sorely missed as he offers something that none of the others can. They are in big trouble and players like Jonjo Shelvey aren't going to get them out of it.

    I have no sympathy for a badly managed team.
     
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  15. monty987

    monty987 Well-Known Member

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    I can see us finishing above Liverpool, Spurs, Villa, Newcastle, Wigan etc.
    TOP 4
    Man c
    Chelsea,
    Man u
    Arsenal.
    Bottom 4
    Villa
    QPR
    Soton
    Reading
     
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    Deleted # Well-Known Member

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    How did they end up in that little list?
     
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  17. Vincemac

    Vincemac Well-Known Member

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    yeh I fancy us to beet them next home game but I hope a revitalised liverpool don't turn up <bubbly>
     
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  18. 10th Place finish Ya Know!

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    Should give young Allen a mention, I thought he was teriffic, the one bright light for them so far. We could do with a CM like him.
     
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