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Lance Armstrong

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Loveitupthebush, Aug 24, 2012.

  1. Loveitupthebush

    Loveitupthebush Well-Known Member

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    Can someone tell me how it has taken years to announce that he took drugs when winning all them tours
     
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  2. Soopermack

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    Without ever failing a single drugs test! Beats me.......
     
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  3. CORK-a-HOOP

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    its a bit strange. I think the reason they can now say it is due to the fact that is is no longer trying to clear his name and it is implied that he is guilty because of that. from what i understand..

    Does anyone know if he can play CB or DM.......... We could be linked to him next
     
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  4. daverangers

    daverangers Well-Known Member

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    Does seem funny they can only prove it now...he has released a statement on his website, www.lancearmstrong.com
     
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  5. ironman2606

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    From what I've read Marion Jones never failed a test but admitted drug use and the never failed a test defence doesn't hold up so well any more after the balco scandal.

    Floyd landis and Tyler Hamilton have both been caught for drugs and implicated Armstrong in their drug taking.
     
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  6. Soopermack

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    But those 2 didn't have the backing of the US and world cycling bodies. Even the court judge seemed to be on his side, but couldn't legally prevent the usada from bringing charges. Read lance Armstrongs statement, it might give you a different perspective. I'm not saying whether he did or didn't do it, but I want more evidence than a few cyclists words and rumours about it...
     
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  7. ironman2606

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    Mack. Wasn't making any judgement just saying what I thought the story was.
     
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  8. Azmi

    Azmi Well-Known Member

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    Great news but unfortunately the UCI haven't yet decided to remove him as winner of all those Tours.

    Let's face it, most are surely doping but it was the way that Armstrong did it with such arrogance and hypocrisy that earned him so many enemies. There are self confessed dopers of the past that are remembered fondly because they didn't check for all the hypocritical ****: Anquetil, Tommy Simpson, Freddy Maertens, Eddy Merckx and even Contador although he denies everything. It's scum like Armstrong, Landis and Francesco Moser that need the book thown at them.

    Moser in particular annoys me having won that Giro made for him pushed along by the down draught of the TV helicopter, as for Sky and Wiggins they're taking the pìss.

    Best doping gossip: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/forumdisplay.php?f=20
     
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  9. QPR247

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    It is possible that they stored the original samples and now, with improved testing techniques, can prove he was actually dosed up to the max.

    Shame if it's true, which it probably is, as he's a fantastic role model for athletes and anyone trying to overcome serious illness.
     
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  10. Azmi

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    Samples are stored 7 years IIRC.
     
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    Imaz. I sense you know what your talking about on this subject
     
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  12. Azmi

    Azmi Well-Known Member

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    Not really, was really into cycling back in my younger days in another country.
     
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  13. Shawswood

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    You could be forgiven for saying that the ball's in his court now
     
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  14. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    The head of the USADA has been gunning for Armstrong for years, he's finally got his man...
     
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    Are you saying you think the Sky team are on the smack??
     
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  16. Azmi

    Azmi Well-Known Member

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    Along with a huge number of people outside the UK, yes. The progress made by Foome and Wiggins is unprecedented. However unlike Armstrong I don't believe they will ever be exposed. Why did Dave Brailsford employ a man with the history and reputation of Dr Gert Leinders as Sky team doctor?
     
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  17. rrrrrs

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    Bloody hell im shocked!! I dont know anything about the sport so wouldnt know the gos, i thought the sport had cleaned up!?!
     
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    Hes a cheat and a liar. Even though 10 ex team mates have testified that hes a cheat he still feigns innocence and threatens to sue anyone and everyone.

    Everyone believes the sky team are up to it too, their doctor is a convicted drugs cheat.
     
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  19. Azmi

    Azmi Well-Known Member

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    Indeed, excellent post.

    About time people woke up and smelled the coffee. Wiggins is well over 30 and will be long retired by the time medical technology catches up.

    The UCI are a major problem and make Blatter and FIFA look like saints. Reform is badly needed there.
     
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    Armstrong has forever denied drugs use, but I understand that the charge is what is known as 'blood doping' where riders extract blood in advance of a race, then reinject the blood to stimulate recovery and extra oxygen.

    So whilst he can claim to be drug free, the practice described above is and was against the competition rules.

    The subject fascinates me - and I was reading about Florence Griffiths Joiner recently and I'm almost convinced that she was doping throughout her career.

    My father was a good standard athlete in the late sixties on the fringes of the 68 Mexico Olympics, he was convinced that athletes in the 80s and 90s were doping in training and minor competitions. He was forever pointing out where a top level athlete would arrive at a small athletics meeting looking to gain some form, then withdraw with an injury without racing when the doping control arrived unannounced. He was convinced that they would use doping to get their fitness and recovery to an optimum point, then race 'clean' in the major events.

    There's even a theory that Carl Lewis was doping alongside Ben Johnson, but it would have been too big to bring him down as well, so they went for Johnson alone.

    There is some humour to this though, in the world of cycling, there are urban myths of the times when taking urine samples was more relaxed, where the male rider was broken the news that he was clean, but congratulated on being pregnant! And where the mechanic gave a sample but having been up all night preparing the bikes for the following day's racing, and took a caffiene stimulant, which subsequently failed on behalf of the 'clean' rider!
     
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