And I suspect you are wrong. Eufa rarely get anything right, and their Financial rules are another example. Foul of EC Restrictive Trade Regulations, like the Bosman Ruling, they will last about 2 mins when someone challenges them in a Court of Law. More importantly, history shows conclusively that you cannot legislate to make people equal. Many have tried, all have failed. EUFA will fail as well.
Erm..........yeh....................no, just plain old no. You do know both the Champions League and the Europa League are invite only. You have no right to play there and you are allowed only on invite from Uefa. If you dont meet the requirements needed then you dont get invited and then what exactly are you taking Uefa to court over? It would be like taking the kid down the road to court because he didnt invite you to his party, you would be laughed out of court So at the end of the day all Uefa have to do is not invite clubs, these clubs can then take the issue up with their respective FA's who can beg for Uefa to reconsider. They wont. Should the club or its FA decide to take it to court outside of football then the FA risks expulsion from the World Cup an the European Championships. This means said club will have no support at all and be alone in its futile attempts to break the rules and still play ball.
Chelsea are fully on target for Montoring Period 1 and MP2. All wages and transfers negotiated pre2010 can be written for MPs 1, 2, and 3, so to maKe it simple for you, UIR: If you lost £70m in 12/13, but £70m of transfers and wages are contracts agreed pre 2010 (definitely the case at CFC), you will make Uefa MP1 criteria. You will probably be able to write off exceptional costs too (sacking AVB etc). Even after this you are allowed a €45m loss. On top of this, winning CL will make us €100m, so will not be making a loss this season. Oh, and even if City or United did not make MP1, they would most likely get a transfer embargo, which they would get lifted/suspended etc... Getting banned from CL is a long legal road from that, which even then clubs would appeal, etc... it would be seasons away. Even if FFP is applied, the earliest clubs are likely to receive severe punishment are 2018, if ever at all. So you have a long wait
I think Chelsea will pass. You went a while without spending and worked on making the club more self sufficient so I reckon you are fine. City...........not a chance they will pass. Liverpool are a doubt aswell as their losses are pretty substantial. Everyone else in the PL will pass.
And there are 2 chances of any of the above happening , none and **** all. All the clubs have already agreed to comply with the rules, so no one will be taking anyone to court.Nevertheless the rules do breach EC law. The Clubs have already identified that you could drive a line of trucks through the gaps in the rules, ie sponsors, in the case of Real Madrid, a rate increase imposed by the Council, and I am suremany others. Better minds than EUFAs' are working on these things right now. I reiterate my points. 1. RA is financially astute enough to pass all the rules when they come into force. 2. EUFA will fail totally by attempting to legislate to create a level playing field. Never has worked, never will work. In fact the gap between the haves and have nots will widen.
And there are 2 chances of any of the above happening , none and **** all. All the clubs have already agreed to comply with the rules, so no one will be taking anyone to court.Nevertheless the rules do breach EC law. The Clubs have already identified that you could drive a line of trucks through the gaps in the rules, ie sponsors, in the case of Real Madrid, a rate increase imposed by the Council, and I am suremany others. Better minds than EUFAs' are working on these things right now. I reiterate my points. 1. RA is financially astute enough to pass all the rules when they come into force. 2. EUFA will fail totally by attempting to legislate to create a level playing field. Never has worked, never will work. In fact the gap between the haves and have nots will widen.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Uefa will decide what is acceptable, they have not yet decided if Citys £400million deal is of market value. Its likely it will not be counted as its about 25million a year over value for a club of their size and fanbase. Not all club agreed to FFP. City are believed to be one of the few from England who didnt agree. They may have done so now though but initially they didnt. Any attempts to fiddle the books will result in the harshest penalty, perhaps even permanently. You dont get it do you, Uefa decides who plays in its competitions. Not Roman, not shake man or whatever hes called not anyone. They can make as daft and as silly rules as they like and implement them how they want. They have the full backing of the worlds biggest clubs ( Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Barcelona, Inter Milan, AC Milan and Juventus ) and of every major league in europe. There are no loopholes just clubs trying to push their luck. There will only be one winner and it aint the club trying to break the rules
2 clubs have already been punished aswell. 1 banned for 2 years, they appealed to the CAS and it was upheld but their fine was reduced. The other banned for 1 year ( suspended though ) and a fine, appealed and the ban was not upheld but the find more than doubled. So yeh..... Uefa are acting on it Besiktas and Bursaspor ( sp? )
I do get it, totally.Try telling us something we don't all know, not lecturing us like some EUFA spin doctor, full of threats and bluster. No one other than you has made any mention of Roman at odds with EUFA, or Chelsea trying to break the rules. This seems to be just your take on things, or what you hope is happening for whatever reason. Don't try and spin the discussion to reflect your personal point of view, stick with the topic, which is, RA is more than able to ensure Chelsea comply fully with the rules, and secondly EUFAs' great plan to make the Clubs equal by Financial regulation will fail miserably. Your normally considered arguement is missing from this thread.
Ive stated already chelsea will pass but I used roman as an example because you said he knows better than Uefa. I was pointing out that attitude wont do him much good. As I stated their plans in effect and will work. For the good of football it has to work. Rather save 100 clubs than allow one club the benefits ( or not ) of a billionaire owner
it is an open secret for anyone who knows anything about football that RA and Platini discussed FFP while the rules were being drafted. Platini knows that without the backing of the most important men in football, FFP has an even worse chance of succeeding.
Oh yes those Mighty giants Besiktas and Bursaspor. Whatever will UEFA do without them in their flagship competition
The commentators on the Sky broadcast of Wigav v Chelsea yesterday in an idle moment brought the phrase FFP into conversation and said they didn't quite understand what it all meant! So join the club!
Erm..... from this post I suspect you are trying to imply that Uefa wont kick bigger clubs out. Who are these big clubs DL?
They won't. Let's be honest now who would watch the Champions League without Barca, Real, Bayern, Chelsea, United, Arsenal and to a lesser extent City, PSG, Milan, Juve etc? If the competition is to comprise of FC Cluj and Olympiakos in the knock out stages nobody would take interest in it. Interest in the Europa League peaked once United and City were in involved. If UEFA rock the boat it will all end in tears. The clubs with global fanbases are always going to have the power
Does anyone have an argument why FFP wont work bar the same tired old ones... 1. Clubs will just find loopholes - No they wont 2. It will make big clubs richer and small clubs poorer - ORLY? I dont think so, smaller clubs wanted this as much if not more than the bigger clubs. Even going as far as to make the regulations even stricter. 3. Uefa wont kick big clubs out - erm..... yeh they will......this would be the same Uefa who suspended English clubs from europe right? 4. Money clubs will just pay Uefa off - Ah yes, I mean this wouldnt get noticed would it and have the entire football world goijg mad because a club bribed uefa. Never going to happen. Anymore?
1. They have already - Clubs have realised whilst they cannot account for losses they can account for revenue hence why clubs are going all out to increase it. Look at City's latest deals. The rules basically say an owner cannot single handedly fund a club but there's no rule that says sponsors can't. 2. You can spend what you earn. The rich clubs generate more revenue. FFP rules prevent owners from solely funding clubs so there is no other way for the other clubs to get financed. Clubs like Spurs and Swansea are hardly king to be able to attract the huge sponsorship deals of clubs like United, Arsenal or Chelsea. 3. Bans won't be introduced straight away, it will start off with fines and then bans of clubs don't improve their financies. UEFA want to see steps to becoming self sufficient even they don't want instant changes overnight. They won't ban all the English clubs. These days English clubs are more important to them than they were in the 80s. All they care about is money 4. N/A
Yeh............no. See you are forgetting some vital aspects of all this. Kicking 1 big club out or 2 big clubs will make no difference what so ever to the CL. Of all the clubs mentioned Chelsea are the ones most at risk and even then its likely you will pass. City have had one season in the CL and are in Champions League football terms, nobodies. The rest of the big clubs will pass bar the italian ones and well...... they dont really bring much to the table globally at the minute, their league is poor, their attendances are poor and their world wide coverage is.....poor. You also forget Uefa are paid in advance. Also Liverpool have a massive fan base...........has the CL struggled since they banned themselves from the CL? Has it ****. Rangers & Celtic have massive fanbases on a global scale yet the CL does fine without them.... Every club in the CL is at risk of failing to qualify..... do you think the audiences would drop significantly if at all? Its possible they wouldnt increase as it would be something new and unexpected. Not that its going to happen. As for clubs with global fanbases having the power............ yeh, except its FIFA and UEFA who have the power. To challenge UEFAS stranglehold on european football you would need the backing of your entire country, the FA, clubs, players everything because the chances are you will find your FA banned from all international football, your clubs all banned from european football and even your player registrations being void under FIFA regulations. All things considered can you name me a club who will get such backing? I cant think of one.
1. Citys stadium deal. Is that what you mean. Yeh Uefa have yet to decide if it counts. They will adjust it to market value for their accounts ( even with it they fail by a massive sum ) 2. The rules also stop Leeds, Pompey and Rangers all happening again. There are plenty of ways to get increased revenue and its by performing on the pitch first. Clubs are always looking for the easy route but why should clubs get the easy route. 3. They wont need to ban all english clubs, most will pass. Clubs not in the CL can get as much investment as they want aswell. Whats a ban going to do to them?
