Either way, Attwell made the right decision for the goal but was bloody useless the rest of the game. He let loads of tackles go unpunished; mainly Brighton ones but also McLean's in the first half and yet booked Faye and McKenna for incredibly soft tackles, and Faye's wasn't even a foul.
simpson? cant knock the winning goalscorer, but he was only on for ten mins, and the goal was more about koren 1) aluko 2 dudgeon 3) koren
That's a wind up right!! Faye's was a terrible challenge, two footed and wrapped his legs round CMS. Mckenna 's was professional foul, last few minutes of the game they were surging forward and he deliberately did him. No complaints from anyone.
You say that about Faye's but two Brighton players did similar fouls and didn't get booked, so no consistency yet again. Either book them all or don't book them. Mckenna's was a booking, yet was genius play from Mckenna.
Faye got the ball, and if that was two-footed what the hell was McLean's? The McKenna one I know it was late on and mopre for the context than the foul itself but it was hardly a breakaway or anything and he hadn't got past McKenna so it was very harsh, especially given what other players had got away with. In the second half when Stewart broke away from a corner and went on that run he was clearly pulled back with an outstretched arm to stop him getting away, it was just plain cheating and nothing less but of course Attwell being the pussy he is allowed it with no punishment. It would have had to be retrospective because he failed to bring Stewart down but nonetheless, it was way more professional than what McKenna got booked for. The one from Noone on Rosenior was obviously a yellow card challenge, everyone in the ground knew it including Attwell but he was too scared to give it because it would have been his second and he'd have had to go. Why show extra leniance for someone who is on a yellow card, when they're on a yelolow card for a good reason? Especially as he was lucky to escape with only that in the first half when he clattered Rosey the first time, with his elbow, at neck height. That could easily have been one of those neck brace incidents with a 10-minute delay.
I'm not interested in the other fouls. You said Faye's wasnt a foul it clearly was. So was Mckenna's, it was a professional foul and absolutely the right thing to do. It was on a break away, so your wrong there as well. Did you actually see it!!
There were loads of players behind the ball, a good 5 or 6 and he wasn't fully past McKenna. With the one on Stewart there was only one man for him to beat and the one a good yard behind him clearly reached out and grabbed him back, didn't even try to hide it. If McKenna's was a booking that was a red. Faye's wasn't a foul because he got the ball, if you start saying it doesn't matter these days even if he got the ball then you have to start looking at the other fouls where the ball wasn't won which went unpunished. Can't have it both ways.
What he is saying is that you can't book Mckenna if your not going to book there player. You can't have one rule for one and not another. Recent seasons the referee's association have blabbed on about consistency and making consistent decisions, what the referee showed was completely the opposite. Thats why you can't ignore other fouls.
Your embarassing yourself, give it up. Mckenna fouled him because it was a breakaway, Rosy was out of position, Mckenna came across and impeded him deliberately. Faye's was a foul, there were no complaints from anyone, especially Faye. I'm not interested in discussing other fouls, so stop bringing them up.
No he isnt saying that. He is now trying to drag every incident in the game into it. He distinctly stated Mckenna and Faye's were not fouls and not bookable. THey were. END OF FACT
That's entirely the point. I think Chazz knows but maybe because I always moan about refs it seems like I just do it for the sake of it. I really think they need ot sort themselves out though, no one expects every single goal-line decision, offside, handball or dive correctly spotted but it's the ones where the ref knows exactly what has happened but wont take action because he's too scared or there isn't a precedent. One more thing Chazz, the Faye yellow had half the West stand (yeah I know, all 10 of us) on their feet having a go at the ref, so you can't so no one complained.
I didn't say McKenna's wasn't a foul I said it was a harsh yellow, which in the context of a pretty dirty game it certainly was.
I'm fairness to Chazz, you are talking absolute bollocks... It doesn't matter how many players there are left to beat, a foul's a foul and McKenna fouled the player. Faye might have won the ball, but yeah it doesn't matter if he takes the man out first. It was a blatant foul by a veteran who knew he was beaten so took a booking and gave away a free-kick in a non-threatening position leaving the team chance to regroup, it's basic defending and everyone in the game accepts it as normal. As for comparing McKenna getting booked compared to the lad who fouled Stewart, you've fallen for the same thing that EVERY pundit/commentator seems to forget, players don't often get booked for ONE foul, McKenna had already been warned, the guy who fouled Stewart will have been owed another foul (as long as it wasn't deserving of a card on its own merit) before he got his second yellow. Comparing one foul to another and deciding whether one deserves a booking or not is an utterly pointless exercise without looking at previous fouls committed by both players. This is why refs have their books and tick off players for each foul they make. I'm guessing you've never done a refereeing course or else you'd know that. But don't let your lack of research into the rules of the game affect you from feeling you know better than those who have studied them and have qualifications to prove it (Stuart Atwell).
Just because Chazz thinks I said McKenna's wasn't a foul, doesn't mean I actually did. You're basically justifying plain cheating by saying the only way you can be booked is for persistent fouling. That's nonsense. The tug on Stewart was a yellow card for cheating, it was professional, regardless of whether it worked. You don't need 5 fouls for that to be cheating. The McKenna one was a yellow card because it was professional. If he wanted to book him for persistent fouling that's different but Chazz and I pretty much agree that it was because of the context of the foul, which would be fine except that he was lenient when it was their player. Just like he was lenient with Noone because he was too scared to send him off, but couldn't wait to book Faye, and I don't remember any other notable fouls given against him. If the numbers of fouls is so important, how come Brighton got half as many yellow cards as us with a lot more fould overall?
