Ooops just called Queenslander a "Boring prick" Does that come 'name calling' or is it 'fair comment'?
Further clarifications needed then. Most of the PMs received in recent months are not from the most regular of posters. Regulars tend to express their concerns by posting them openly. Amazing that Swords, DT and one or two others who've responded to such concerns, so readily discount them thereafter. PMs tend to come from newer or less regular posters trying to rationalise what goes on as part of their considerations of whether to stick or twist. I can't remember one posted concern or PM that's urged me to ban anyone on here. What they all say in essence is that whilst opinions naturally vary, disrespect for / abuse of fellow posters is unacceptable - which oddly enough, is precisely what the rules say and why, as a mod, I have to take particular notice. As for the precise negative impact of our keyboard warriors and/or trolls on the continued interest and presence on some of our better known posters, I have no idea. Just that every one of them that subsequently reappears or otherwise contacts me personally, complains about the influence of thread-dominating hyenas (my catchall word). Wasn't the case until recent months but Swords and DT's names almost always come up in this context these days. So why are they still around in present form? Because, like CB, they are features of this board and I'm just hoping that, again like CB / SiR, they find ways of having their fun in accord with the majority of their fellow posters on here, as opposed to it being at the expense of fellow posters. I don't know why Col keeps getting mentioned - he never PMs me with complaints, just requests for updates! Whilst we're on the subject, the relationship between Col and me is both forum-based and a case in point. We rarely agree on anything club or politrix related and he gets very angry with my views sometimes (surprise, surprise!) - BUT we've managed to argue our corners without losing respect for each other or name calling and chat away on other matters good as gold. Amazing that innit! If two opinionated half-wits like us can keep the gates open, how come others can't? Back to the subject of moderation, what it's about and why we can't just let things go ad nauseum. Said it before but the site demands restraint and moderation on the football boards. If it doesn't happen or not fast enough, you've all seen how Syd swoops and takes over. Unlike some on here who've expressed satisfaction with my approach to modding, I get the impression, reading between the lines, that Syd thinks I'm a bit of a ****er and has no time for such liberalism. [You can please some of the people... ] But no one could ever say this site doesn't cater for all tastes and bents. Keyboard savages are more than welcome on General Chat. There you can dine on perverse excess / disrespect to your stomach's content - and beyond. I notice there's one or two Rs on there but strangely enough, not our leading hyenas. The ones I've seen on there ****ing away with the worst of 'em have actually never come up on our radar on the Rangers board. Horses for courses I'm glad to see. The point of this thread was to make abundantly clear, the will of what I regard as the expressed majority on here. Due respect rules, okay? Whilst some of the hotpot reactions to yesterday's catastrophe are understandable, it's just not on to start ****ing each other off - even if those that annoy us do engage in controversial thread OPs or responses. Conventional wisdom has it that if you can't think of anything good to say about someone, best say nothing at all. Here endeth the lesson!
There's few of us on here know Roller personally from games and The Conningham etc.. Safe to say that like others, he's not been too enamoured of late. Hence his migration.
That's a real shame. I was hoping to meet up with him this season....nearly did last season. I sent him a PM with no response. Seems he's gone then!! Like I say, a real shame and I did warn that we would lose some good posters!! I've got his phone number....I may text him and check out a meet up.
Interesting bit of semantics there North, as well you know and thanks for drawing attention to it. Ably brings focus to the naturally fuzzy line between friendly two-way banter involving known characters, and actual abuse where one of the parties concerned is either or both an unknown entity or unwilling player. In such circumstances, newbies taking what they see as unacceptable abuse might see a face-to-face meet as the only way of establishing their integrity. They're wrong of course (PM-ing mods being the right way) and as was the case yesterday, a hollow threat if anything. BUT if we let such things go, they could well escalate down the line. A silly point really but the detail shows why mods so often have to think and act like complete anoraks! Has to be said though that neither Syd, Goldhawk, NUTS and I, nor indeed your good self in your days as mod, ever had any trouble in distinguishing between banter and abuse. Even goes to the extent that whilst hyenas invariably justify their 'offence' as simple banter, moderation has to consider what others, including but not limited to the apparent 'targets', see as unacceptable abuse and demand some form of moderation. As for your 'target' there, QLR, who we've all come to know and regard, 'boring''s the wrong word (altho' i'm sure he'd love the 'prick' bit!). Self-confessed nutter at times, is far more appropriate!! Nah troo QLR?!!
That's funny Brix, cos I was thinking the boring part was spot on, and was considering of 'withdrawing' the prick!
Christ, all this because I said 'the fuktards are out in force'. Will watch what i type in future, don't want to become swords mk2!!
Met Roller for the first time yesterday and had a pint with him. Nice lad. Shame all this sh1te goes on and makes decent blokes lke Roller move on. Our loss.
rrrrrs it goes deeper than that mate. Brix is 100% right. No one on our board should ever start saying "blah blah i'll come over and say to my face" crap. Out of order. If these posters are over the age of 16 then they need to get a life, (embarrassing really). We all have views on here and if we don't agree then either say so or don't. But personal attacks or threats should be delt with. On another note, what bugs me is the muppets that don't even go to the games then slate players/managers without even being there? Our club is a 'work in progress', it's only a year since TF took over and some fans have become spoilt, deluded and think we are Man Utd and rather than support the team on a match day, don't and just become cyber warriors and cause trouble by talking utter crap.
Well said. Thanks for that Ellers. The purpose of leaving a mod thread open is to encourage open commentary on what is a member-led board. Mods will only know what's wanted in mod terms if people open up and leave us in no doubt. So far, from what's been posted on such matters in recent times, it suggests, to me anyway, that a small handful want laissez-faire and the vast majority want reasonable levels of restraint - preferably self-imposed. Question is, have I got that wrong? Let us know - like Ellers and others have done. Need to hear from the 'silents'.
Didn't say that Rhino, i said . What i am saying is how can someone give a full account of a game when they are not there? Agree that people watch online or listen to the game but you get a biased game that way. On a radio you have to listen to what the commentator says and believe it. On line you only get to see what the cameras will show you. When you are there you can watch the tireless runs of players that never get mentioned or shown. You can see what the manager is trying to do from the dugout, watch the changing formation, basically the whole game. So yes what bugs me is muppets slagging off my team when they aren't even there.
Short answer is of course not. I still don't go to most matches - though for me and others I know, its more about no time than no money these days. But there's no denying we owe a debt of gratitude to the Ellers and Watfords of this world - people who get out there and represent us brilliantly come rain or shine. If they unguardedly call the rest of us muppets from time to time, it's a small price to pay. It's not directed at us personally.
You've lost me ELLERS. Have I mentioned the contribution or effort of the players? I unimpressed with MH's record to date & Lazy summer business imo. Please read my posts. Did see enough of Hoilett to be impressed though.
We see enough of a game on the TV or a good net link to get a good opinion of a game, and comment on it! I agree you get more of an overview at the game, but in some situations like what is happening in the penalty box at the other end of the pitch, you see less than on the TV and net.
If you want my humble opinion, I don't think the current situation is too far off where we should be. If you apply an iron fist to modding (which I know is firmly against your sensibilities anyway) then you risk sterilizing the whole forum and the vibrancy the defines QPR Not606 would be lost. I can only think of a few instances where I've felt lines have been crossed. Once me and another poster got a post removed by its author after an earnest suggestion to do so and the rest of the times you or Nuts have intervened at an appropriate time. I did post a while back about the notion of this being a centre of free speech and pointed out that we're all just guests of the Super Mods. You wouldn't go round there houses and just start flinging mud about. At the same point, they couldn't reasonably start everyone on an emotive topic (as is football) without expecting a few fireworks. Personally, I've felt that threads that outlive their usefulness tend to harbour the most contentious items and I've been making an effort to only post once or twice on these. I know that the biggest frustration I feel is not getting my point across/being understood and not being taken seriously. I just need to accept that it sometimes happens and walk away. The general level of thought and maturity on here mean that I often enjoy off topic conversations as much as football ones. Even the football only mentality throws up issues as seen in the last day. Optimism vs pessimism on weekends like this is always going to be frictious. As goes for the regular goers vs the non regulars, I can see this as a regular bone of contention. I have huge respect for those that have put thousands into the club's coffers. In terms of insight, everyone has different levels of it (in any aspect of life not just football). People could go to every game and be tactically naive and people can sit at home and still have it in abundance. Going does give you a better opportunity to be insightful as does playing at a high level although I'd argue that being in 16,000 screaming fans offers as much bias as TV commentary. Mutual respect is the ultimate goal but I feel that modding (as you have been thus far) is the necessary requirement until we achieve it. If the club does well then you won't be too busy but times like these are unenvyable. Don't think I've added or helped too much (and I struggle to structure thoughts on my phone as well as laptop).
