Go on then, walk out into a UK city and call a black person a negrito. They are unlikely to read up on the words history and make a decision on where you may come from and whether or not its acceptable in your country. They might, but I wouldnt be very confident. So you know, there is no confusion, the outcome would likely be the same regardless. A very offended individual who couldnt give a flying **** if people in South America use it as a term of endearment.
"Originally Posted by UIR - Kagawa Powa Seriously, call a black person a negrito in the UK and you will get layed out." Seriously, walk into a bar in Montevideo and say to a local "Concha de tu hermana" and they won't think, "It's okay, it's just a Frenchman exclaiming in Spanish. He must have stubbed his toe or something..."
That's a bit 'racist' of you to not give black people credit for knowing their history, in fact if you said such a thing to a member of the black community in Liverpool you'd more than likely get a slap. The black community in Liverpool are very 'read up'. please log in to view this image http://portal.unesco.org/culture/en/ev.php-URL_ID=32266&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
Ahhh UIR I see: so when leaders of the black community give there reasoning for why they believe Rios comments were racially motivated & deeply insulting they're are making over sensitive culturally biased excuses for failings within their communities but the same leaders were talking the word of God when stating that cultural differences are no excuse not to instinctively know & comply to the cultural norms of your host country. Funny that: you sound almost identical to posters on this board oh let's say 9-10 months ago and those people had everything from Rosa Parks to 18th century Slave Ships thrown at them. Now if I was sad enough to go back to your posts here around that time, would I find you doing the throwing? And by the way; you are wrong. ask any youth leader or Social worker in any deprived area (not just black) and they will say peer pressure fear of being seen to comply with the enemy (the establishment) by working IN the system is one of the biggest stumbling blocks among male youths. It's not the only issue obviously but it is an issue. You dismiss it simply because it suits your argument now. This has been my pet hate in this entire sorry episode. People not even attempting to hide their contradictory and blinkered approach to a complex issue out of glaring self interest. This issue will never be tackled effectively while it's used in such petty one-up-manship.
I have decided I find Amaechi's opinion that its somehow offensive to be white on the inside to be highly offensive. Apparently its my right and I choose to exercise it. Whos with me not being serious.
You're losing the point of all this. Had the Suarez/ Evra case gone to court, Luis Suarez would have got off. There would also have been a warrant issued for the immediate arrest of Patrice Evra for contempt of court, for distorting original evidence. He as in the FA case first said Suarez said x 5 times, then he said Suarez said it 8 times. He wouldn't get away with that in court and would definitely have been sent to prison.
Erm.... I stated Suarez used a racially offensive term ( within UK boarders, this isnt Uruguay believe it or not ) and was an idiot for doing so. I said it was wrong because he used the term in anger, which he quite clearly did. --------------------------------- As for the rest, this isnt the place to discuss the problems within the black community. I dont think community leaders help much at all.
This is my opinion and i don`t really care whether anyone agrees or not. The racism bull**** in football at the moment is neither here nor there but is being used for no other reason than club rivalries to beat each other up with. I have black friends who find it funny/sad when i explain to them what is being said on football forums on who should get what punishments for anything to do with what is classed as racism these days. In my lifetime i have usually found that the people who shout the loudest about how anti-racist they are, are 1 Deep down more racist themselves than the ordinary man on the street. 2 A black person with a massive chip on his shoulder. So Donga and Whonext what catagory do you actually fall into?
Fook me, he cant even understand bog standard racism, so any mention of socio-economic racial norms is going waaaayyyyyy over his head. Spot on, I (and many others) will include the FA in that for using the complex suarez case to score what they saw as an easy point against blatter on the anti-racism agenda.
You started the discussion regarding the problems in the black community by dismissing out of hand a reason given by those that actually live & work there. MY response wasn't specific to the black community just an expression of how I thought you were completely & utterly wrong in your dismissal & how I disapprove of your less than opaque reasons for that dismissal. But side step away there when you're shown to be ever so slightly duplicitous. The man (who is actually black) who you dismissed completely stated that Rio used a racially offensive term (within UK borders ) and was wrong to do so. It wasn't a friendly joke directly with Cole and we certainly know Rio was angry about the situation with Terry & Cole..... Apparently you only agree with these black spokesmen when they are criticizing a Liverpool player. Kind of leads back into my pet hate again there......I do love white guys that get to decide WHEN black guys can decide if something is racist or not. That's not at all condescending. is anybody going to show some consistency here?
"In my lifetime i have usually found that the people who shout the loudest about how anti-racist they are, are" Hahahahaha, that was ChristianSmith's gambit as well when he knew he'd lost the argument. Sad thing is, it seems to be the process the FA used against Suarez in the absence of any credible evidence.
I really cant be bothered to tell you why its complete rubbish. Not your views, the whole PC, make a meal out of anything and avoid the real issue attitudes shown by these 'community' leaders.
Cant say really. It does explain alot though, a hell of a lot. Do you ever go on DigitalSpy forums at all, particularly the political and general forums? And no, I dont read any newspaper at all, I find their own personal agendas to be tedious and boring. Left wing/right wing bollocks.
You're forgetting someting, Suarez did use a racist term, but not as many times as Evra said he did. Evra himself was unsure of how many times it was said to him, first it was 5 then it was 8. Evra was also unsure of exactly was said to him. It wasn't until Alex Ferguson butted in that the word ''negro'' was mentioned. To begin with, all Evra heard was ''black'' As I've said, had this gone to court, it would have been Evra and not Suarez in hot water. Suarez due to circumstantial evidence would have walked free. Evra for distorting evidence would have been arrested for contempt of court. The FA ****ed up in the Suarez case and they know it. With the John Terry case hanging over them, they had to be shown to not condone Riio's behaviour, however I am convinced that the punishment was fair.
Swarbs what is it they say? The best form of defense is attack so carry on mate. You stated that Suarez had been in breach of ruke E3 where as Rio hadn't. That was my point and instead of addressing that point, you decide to question my ability to read. I thknk the fact you missed my point would raise more question as to your ability. But like I said, carry on as you are and **** everyone else eh fella. What a joke!
