There's no point arguing with him mate. He's an absolute loon, possibly the most mental person I've ever known on the internet. Fuck knows why I bothered for so long
coz youre a dick? You bothered because I let you, i would put something out there knowing you would bite and I could reel you in. I got to you in a big way FFS even Toby said so in a response to you and he hates me you are obseesed with me it seems. I generally tend to ignore you now as you have nothing worth listening to. But every time I am passing and have a look at what is being discussed I can guarantee you will have mentioned me somewhere. Thats even when I havent logged on for weeks. The last one I believe was regarding lock up due to honour killing? 5
I knew what you meant mate. As for 'getting to', I don't think I ever got as riled as Fan did at this point: He even swore properly!
8:09 I had my money on 9 am. so the 5 at the bottom of my last post was the beginning of the countdown by that time got 2 responses, tooooo easy
That last example of lunacy/******ation was almost as bad oligomania/Google-failgate. Or Andy Carroll is better than Rooneygate We better stop taking the piss anyway, it means we're obsessed with him
Are you saying that you don't even believe in what you write? That you just hope to get an antogonistic response from a couple of anonymous people on the internet? I'm not sure what that says about you tbh.
Can we not bring the death penalty back just for those that admit it, holy monkey certain lifers have been trying find ways to commit hari kari for years and the ****s keep nursing them back to health when they fail. Now that is nonsense. I have said before use the ****ers for medical research.
There may, no will be some that enjoy it. Oh and it's public knowledge that you spend life in prison for many other offences not just murder, and that don't stop them from committing the act. Indeed will anything?
This a very philosophical discussion (if you take out the random assertion that everyone here is a ****wit... So what? You're an idiot behind a computer screen talking to another idiot behind a computer screen, who cares what you call them?) for you lot... Attitudes towards this subject have been honed by our modern "western civilized culture", and so simply reiterating tired points that it is immoral as punishment just exhibits your lack of ability to think for yourself... Similarly, just because the media have shoved down our throats that there are axe-murderers, muggers, or moronic computer nerds hiding behind computer nerds and calling each other ****wit, calling for the death penalty is hardly expressing some form of liberty of mind. Opinions on the subject must therefore be much more considered than most will admit, and thus you have a boring debacle of slurs. I see most of the people against it have brought forward the special cases, and that in my opinion is a worthy and valid criticism. What it does not address however is the hypothetical removal of all doubt, clear cut observances of law. Us civilized souls are more comfortable distancing ourselves with a practice that has been part of human history forever, than truly confronting the question of whether we could consciously observe death inflicted on an unflinchingly guilty party. It is an answer at odds with our current climate and consequent subjective construction of reality. I like the response which suggests that it is wrong to kill someone who is unaware of right or wrong, and it is another welcome entry to the anti-list. Philosophic pondering on the issue requires one to question whether this is already impeding our lovely western "quality of life" ideal. Does someone who cannot discern right from wrong truly have what we call "a life"? A child may outgrow and learn, while there are those mentally incapable of growing or learning. Does this give us the right to treat them as dogs? Should we lock them in a kennel and throw away the key (ie prison), destroy them (death penalty) or should we "treat them" at the expense of our subjectively "normal" society? Law, in England at least, is not designed for the former two, so objectively it is "right" that such people should have alternate punishments to death. But before anyone gets high and mighty, laws are often changed with the times. The "punishment" criteria itself is another good issue in theory, but once again we fall foul of the current cultural climate influencing our veil of perceptions, with the subjective evaluation people would bring to the table unworthy of getting hot under the collar about. Death is the end for some, while others think it is a beginning. Mortality is different for each man. With such heavy contemplation needed to provide an answer truly worthy of reading, it's unlikely a conclusion to the debate shall be satisfactorily be acquired. I shall add my unworthy and subjective opinion, however. This is that I do not think the death penalty is a good idea. Why? Well goodies fight the baddies (note, with mental health, another subjective construction...) even with one morally superior arm tied behind their back. Whoever issues the lethal injection/shoots the criminal is lawfully just as guilty (and we do technically have to descend into the hypothetical). So where does it hypothetically stop when one man has killed another? Hypothetically the executioner must be killed, and the executioner of the executioner, and the executioner of the executioner of the executioner... etc etc Is it just to kill one man to potentially spare others? Who would, even with no actual reprisal for killing the guilty, want that job? It's all well and good suggesting the role of executioner, without putting your own name forward. Those who would put their own name forward would actually have to be psychologically (and ironically) analyzed for ability to know good from evil. Putting someone of non-sound mind in charge of killing would quash the whole exercise and render it impractical, especially if you are putting to death someone of mentally-incapable ability for doing the same thing! Life confinement, imprisonment and rehabilitation sits more easily with the culturally honed ideal of good and bad (that I'd personally rather adhere to than the "eye for an eye" argument which is seemingly more based on fear). Statistics on the matter (re-cost of death penalty/crime reducing factor etc), well they're usually open for interpretation. I've seen many number quoted, and I've seen many a poll apparently suggest that Britain as a whole would like a referendum on the matter (I've never been asked, and how the silly polls are extrapolated beyond all proportion is nonsense). Objectively and legally in this country it is probably impossible for the death penalty to exist until the arrival of a new time and new cultural ideal, so the referendum will not come at this point. I've expressed this view on occasion, and sometimes I've been met with vehement opposition, and I usually get the "what if something happened to someone you loved? I bet you'd change your tune"... Well it has, and it's only reinforced my viewpoint. Personally it's more comforting to think I could find that miserable excuse for a human life and end it with my own two hands, in an act of pure revenge, than to have them absolved of the punishment (I don't believe in the hereafter, so the thought they might get "eternal damnation" obviously isn't going to comfort me) in a brief and clinical moment (or even a harassing and enduring torture) far removed from those who suffered. The fact I choose not to do that gives me that smug, satisfied, morally superior glow that makes me (in my mind) better than them plays a part, but knowing (to my mind and religious outlook) they can only actually suffer here in life is the true source of the comfort. I have no fear, they are the ones looking over their shoulder. But what do I know, I'm just another ****wit.
Oh I believe what i write, although in this case it was more a question to start a debate/discussion As for the latter part, its usually good to let certain people get things out of their system. so in tobys case he was on chatbox when I posted the OP and he wrote somethibg along the lines of 'fans done a thread, time to hunt out some pics' and the proceeded to post those. Jizz comes on to say dont bother, then bothers by posting and continuing to respond. So truthfully, I do believe what I write and for those who respond (including yourself) I tend to reply with what I believe/my opinion however I do find it entertaining when jizz and some others try and be clever, I especially like the way they spend time finding old arguments that are irrelevant (rooneygate ) to 'prove' they are winning, yet I 'control' their responses Is the latter part a bit sad? probably but its fun and as you say its anonymous so why not?
Thanks for the reply. It makes a refreshing change to see womeone put time and effort into it . FOr examples of ****wits see some of teh responses above, what you have done is what is supposed to be the purpose. couple of things though (and I dont know when I will be able to respond to you) - I like what you say about teh executioner being the murderer etc. However the same notion could apply to prison guards? to hold someone captive is 'illegal' so we give powers to certain people to do certain tasks. It would be the same for an executioner. - for me the 'eye for an eye' notion is very misunderstood. what do you percieve it to be? In a nutshell for me its not about revenge at all, or about tit for tat or taken literally. The notion is about justice, compensation etc. similar to precedent today, ie you do a certain thing and their is a certain punishment/compenastion attached to it
It has to be some kind of comprehensive proof that teh person committed that crime. so again huntly/hindly etc The truth is their have been people admitting crimes who later were cleared as they didnt in fact do it Its not an easy debate/discussion as there are 'exceptions' to every rule as things currently stand
there is evidence to suggest that time length and the 'out of sight' concepts have a lot to do with no deterance I remember the cases abroad by foreigners (so brit in singapore for example) who were happier to spend months inside for crimes committed than be birched in public I am not advocating we bring that back as such, but it seeems to scare some more than prison I have visited a lot of prisons, including some of the more notorious ones and I currently sit in the 'prisons are like holiday camps' camp.
