Under the old format the biggest teams invoved more often than not won it anyway. Real madrid, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, AC milan, Ajax were all the biggest clubs around at some point and when they were they dominated european cup football
And if this happened where would all the tv money go?? into the Europa league lol as the punters want to watch the big names go head to head they dont care how they got there either. Money controls our sport, TV companies control our sport.
Why are you not including forest in that?? <<NOTICE TO ALL MAN UTD FANS>> Football did actually exist before they started the EPL
Nope its £357million, its stated in the IPO prospectus aswell THe TV deal is £3billion spilt between 20 clubs, its increased by a billion
Slipped my mind but the point still stands, probably missed a few others off aswell to be fair, theres a German side who were very dominant at one time.
50% of the TV deal is split equally between all clubs. The rest is done on finishing positions or something like that. United get a bigger share than most I think. Its also 70% bigger than the last one, our revenues and that of all clubs will get a big boost from it The next international rights are expected to be even bigger. So another cash boost for all clubs.
During the Liverpool, Derby, Ipswitch and Forest dominance where were Man Utd?? I'll tell you lol they were playing in front of 15,000 fans each week struggling to stay in the top tier and actually being relegated. MY point remains the same, Utd can just as easily slip down the league like these guys did and they know it. Part of FFP (which is backed by man utd) is to protect the big teams from ever slipping out of the top tier again and for that I am and always will be against it. For all Man Utd dominance of our game they still havent matched what Forest did...
No I don't see where you are coming from, and if you want a serious debate I suggest you ditch the trite "drilled into yourself" bullshit that makes you look like a bitter The average level of competition in the CL is much harder than in the EC. Forest played teams like Malmo, Oster and Dinamo Berlin, who were a million miles behind any English team in terms of quality. There were generally only four or five teams each year able to win the competition or beat the other top teams, whereas now there are far more. You were also quite likely to avoid the best teams in Europe if they had finished runner up in their national league the year beforehand. For example, in 1980 Bayern Munich were the best German team, winning the Bundesliga. But they were not in the European Cup. Likewise, Inter were the best Italian team, but again not in the European Cup as they had finished second the previous season. The Italian champions were Milan, who had a crisis that season and were actually relegated, thus meaning that there was effectively no competent Italian representative in the competition. In the current CL format you will almost always have the best teams from the top leagues, thus making it much harder to win. I cannot honestly see a coherent argument for how the EC was harder to win than the CL. The only thing that was harder was to qualify for it.
I do agree with your last point. But it was Bob Paisleys Liverpool and not Brian Cloughs Forest that was the first British side to become back to back European Champions, Forest are the second and last.
Nope we have far and away eclipsed it Also I wasnt alive in 73/74 nor for a few years after but I was always lead to believe we have had the highest attendence in the land on average for donkeys years, including our stint in the old second division Unless the FA and Football league are lying.
Yout have just backed up my arguement more than you have yours. A team needs to be consistantly good over more than just the one season lol which makes it HARDER to even qualify for never mind win the thing!
Actually, since the Second World War Utd have never had an average attendance of lower than 33,000, even when we were in the second division. And you clearly still don't have the slightest clue about FFP - it has nothing to do with domestic leagues whatsoever. And of course it's also fair to point out that Forest haven't matched many thinks that we have done. Namely winning the double, the treble, retaining the league title, and winning the EC / CL in different eras. So what's your point?
You example of the German league back in 1980 is laughable! So you are saying the best team didn't win the league?? Somehow the league format is flawed and the best team doesn't end up winning?? lol Oh my days lol one born every minute.
They won it back to back, being one of only two English sides and the second and last to do so. Something you haven't.
We'll survive with our vastly superior trophy haul I am sure. BTW, RVP is a United player......apparently.
True, but the fact remains that you have to reach a higher level to win the Champions League than you did to win the European Cup. You play harder teams, face greater levels of competition throughout the tournament, and are very likely to have to face several of the best teams in Europe. Most of the work in winning the European Cup was arguably qualifying for it, as shown by Forest, Villa and Utd who between them won the cup on around 50% of the occasions they entered it. Which in itself explains why no one has ever retained the Champions League. Much easier to maintain a good level for three years than to maintain an excellent level for two years
Is he?? You seriously need him if you are to compete this season.. I'm not a Liverpool fan btw.. I am a newcastle fan
Eh? I was stating another german team was also at one point the best in europe, dominating the german league for a period and being a big dog in europe at the time. I was simply pointing out the bst teams won the EC just as the best teams do well in the CL. Its why the are the best
Well done. You have completely misunderstood everything I have said. That takes some doing, give yourself a pat on the back. My point is that in 1979 Hamburg were the best German team and won the Bundesliga. So they entered into the 1980 European Cup. But in 1980 Hamburg were not the best German team, Bayern Munich were. So the best team in Germany was not in the European Cup. Neither was the best team in Italy. Which combined to make it much easier for Forest to win. Consider the 2009 Champions League. Barcelona did not win La Liga in 2008. Do you think it would have been easier or harder for United to win the Champions League in 2009, and hence retain the trophy, had Barcelona not been in the competition? It's a tough one, you may need to think about it. Yes. So they have achieved one thing that we haven't. We have achieved at least three things they haven't. So who has achieved more?
