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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Enricky., Aug 11, 2012.

  1. UIR - Kagawa Powa

    UIR - Kagawa Powa New Member

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    Leeds had bought him for £18 million not long before. Where were the cries for FFP then aswell?

    Also if leeds pay £18million and he imporves as a player, surely they expect a profit from his sale?

    Also I like to think we helped leeds out in this one, paying slightly over the odds when they were on their way to being in some major ****.
     
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  2. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    They could but they want to sell, swarbs will explain how malcs circling the drain <laugh>
     
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  3. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    Yes under the old EC guise. Since 1992 when the format was changed to include the league its never been done.
     
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  4. McFuckFace

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    Money control football like it or not and the biggest source of that cash is through TV rights. The games are screened all over the world as the punters want to see the best teams play. If next seasons champions league did not contain some of the big guns due to FFP it would hit the TV income massively!
     
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  5. McFuckFace

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    Its easier to win now as you can lose a couple of games and still win the thing making it easier right?? and forest did it the hard way back to back. My point is... after such phenominal success where are the now?? The same thing could happen to any team in the EPL right now.
     
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  6. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    To your edit you could also argue due to the increased level of competition the champions league is much harder to win that the EC.

    Lets never speak of this subject again mind, its happened before, its ended in stalemate and was nasty lol. <ok>
     
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  7. Swarbs

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    Because Rio was the only player we signed that window. We pooled all of our profits and bought him. Largely as a replacement for Jaap Stam who we'd sold for £17 million a year back. So it was hardly £30 million we just magicked from the air. Same as RVN - he was partially funded by the £7.5 million sale of Cole. Veron was funded by the fact that we spent absolutely nothing on transfers for the whole of the previous season, so he was two years worth of transfer budgets rolled into one, again supported by about £8 million we raised by selling youth players like Higginbotham, Healy, Wilson and Greening.

    Ultimately, we paid large fees for individual players cos we spent relatively infrequently compared to other clubs, and financed our purchases with regular sales. Over the entire period from 1992 to 2004 our net spend on an annual basis was on a par with Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and even City before they got relegated in 96. We probably ended up spending more than most of those clubs over the entire period, but that was largely cos of the regular money we got from winning titles and trophies. It was not as a result of massive amounts of external funds being pumped into the club, allowing us to effectively make four signings the size of the Rio transfer in a single season, without any sort of contribution from sales of players.

    That's the difference <ok>
     
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  8. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    Technically you can lose half your games and win it as the EC. You could feasibly lose the first leg 1-0 and win the second leg 2-0 all the way to the final. Fair enough its not exactly half but you get what I am saying.
     
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    and the rather large incomes from winning several titles and a champions league <ok>
     
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  10. Sir Kenny Dalglish

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    Now tell us exactly how are you going to make that £500 million in revenue? Are you going to translate ''Take me home United road'' into 46 different languages? Are you going to have Manchester United branded road-kill for bald men with the slogan 'You too can have hair like Wayne Rooney''? Or bring out your own brand of chewing gum with the slogan ''This is the brand Alex Ferguson chews''?

    However if you are going to promote something, make sure its not premature, like the Champ20ns t-shirts in May. They cost £25 and came with free tickets to the Community shield.......in the City end. For that £25 and this is great value, a Manchester United fan could get a t-shirt, a match ticket and a broken jaw. Now that's well worth the money.
     
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  11. Swarbs

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    They could. But that would make no sense at all - they will make far more money from selling the club than they ever could from putting debt on it. The club can feasibly service around a billion pounds worth of debt at 8% interest (£110 million operating profit, minus £80 million interest leaving £30 million as a safety cushion in case revenue falls). But it is currently valued at £1.5 billion. If they want to make money to finance buying something else, selling is the far more profitable way to do so.

    They could sell us to a bunch of crooks, but those crooks would run into exactly the same problem - the club is more valuable than the cash flow it produces and so it will always be more profitable to sell rather than leverage, now the revenue has been juiced up so much.
     
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  12. McFuckFace

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    A major worry for me is if UEFA go ahead and ban several big clubs from the Champions League. The clubs ultimately have the power and they could bypass UEFA and setup there own tournament with even bigger back from the TV companies which would split football. I think UEFA need to be careful here.
     
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  13. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    Well at a guess and its only a guess the doubling of our sponsorship deals both kit and shirt ( thats £50million extra ) our massive increase in TV revenues which I dont know the exact figures for and further commercial growth in Japan and elsewhere will play some part in adding £147million a year to our revenues.

    I could be wrong though, maybe we didnt just sign all these deals recently and have revenues of £353million now <ok>
     
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  14. McFuckFace

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    The way in which the Glazers bought your club leaves a bitter taste in my mouth though. Effectively with the right financial backing I could have bought Man Utd myself (as they put no money of there own in right??)) and sat on a manageable debt for ten years. They have milked the club good and proper.
     
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  15. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    You forgot to say how Malc was circling the drain <laugh> and his kids dont really want United but rather the cash. Hence the things happening now and the likelihood of a sale in the near future.
     
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  16. McFuckFace

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    lol you could be outplayed over 2 games at the group stage though and still qualify :p which would never happen in the old cup.
     
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  17. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    True but clubs who would really dont like the money clubs.

    Bayern Munichs chairmen positively hates them for example, as I said, it was him who started the whole FFP thing, or at least was one of the first major supporters.
     
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  18. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    You can be outplayed in any game and win, regardless of the tournament or the era. Its happened every single week since football became a professional sport to be fair.
     
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  19. McFuckFace

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    lol and the only difference between me and a shiney new Porsche is to simply 'double my salary' lol you make it sound so simple! this is where I have been going wrong all these years!! lol
     
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  20. McFuckFace

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    hmmm I think you know what I meant
     
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