I think Chelsea will be a differnent kettle of fish this season. Unless Man Utd land RVP and a decent CM I can see them slipping into the battle for 4th with Spuds, Liverpool, Newcastle.
Oh come on.... when the rest of the EPL were scratting around in the low £5m's you were spending crazy money on players in comparison
Unless Manchester United get shot of the Glazers they won't be benefitting as much from the FFP, as some of the others. Although debt doesn't come into play..interest repayments take a large chunk of revenue away. Its wages plus expenses which leaves what is called club transfer money. Lets put it into ordinary joe terms. A man earns £500 a week, his mortgage is £400 a month, so £100 a week has to be put aside for that. He has a wife and two kids and he has a number of expenses totalling £300 a week. So that leaves him with £100 disposable income, however he wants to put aside 25% for a rainy day, so that leaves him with £75 disposable income. As in a football club, if the FFP becomes effective, and a club earns £200 million a year approximately, their wage bill is £120 million, their interest repayments are £70 million, then they have £10 million to spend on players i.e disposable income. Therefore this is where Manchester United may suffer. However I still can't see it happening for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Two clubs could benefit, and they are Liverpool and Arsenal. Liverpool in the last 12 months have been growing their commercial revenue and have been increasing their sponsorship port-folio whilst chopping down their wage bill. Arsenal have been self sustainable for the last 4-5 years and out of all 20 clubs in the premiership are the least at risk of the FFP.
This is in theory what FFP is designed to prevent. Clubs like Chelsea and City potentially ceasing to exist if the owners pulled the plug. If Abramovich turned around tomorrow and said he wanted his £740 million back, which he is fully legally entitled to, he could sell the club's assets, flog all the players, fire all the staff, move the club to a new ground, and do pretty much whatever he wanted, as owner and sole creditor, including fully liquidating Chelsea. Whilst Chelsea fans are pretty happy with Abramovich at the moment, I reckon they would change their tune if he ended their club. I'm not saying that will happen, but just look at Malaga - a few months ago the owner said he wasn't going to subsidise the wages any more and now all the players are for sale, several may sue the club for unpaid wages, and the club has no way to service its debts. They are another Rangers waiting to happen, but at least the owner has no structure in place to actually demand his own money back, something which could sink the club like a stone. I agree with you, but then I also think it is important to always freshen up a title winning side. The second you stop investing and ensuring competition for places, players get comfortable and performances slide. Just look at how Utd's double winning team of 94 went downhill in 95, and how we turned it around with new blood in 96, even tho the new players were a bunch of youngsters and Ronny Johnsen. Similarly how Chelsea's outstanding team of 05/06 have only won one title in the past five years cos despite loads of players coming and going they are still 100% reliant on the comfortable old guard who know they are going nowhere.
[TABLE="class: wikitable"] [TR] [TD]1 [/TD] [TD] please log in to view this image Dimitar Berbatov [/TD] [TD]Tottenham Hotspur [/TD] [TD]£30.75 million [/TD] [TD]September 2008 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2 [/TD] [TD] please log in to view this image Rio Ferdinand [/TD] [TD]Leeds United [/TD] [TD]£29.3 million [/TD] [TD]July 2002 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]3 [/TD] [TD] please log in to view this image Juan Sebastián Verón [/TD] [TD]Lazio [/TD] [TD]£28.1 million[SUP][44][/SUP] [/TD] [TD]July 2001 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]4 [/TD] [TD] please log in to view this image Wayne Rooney [/TD] [TD]Everton [/TD] [TD]£27 million [/TD] [TD]August 2004 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]5 [/TD] [TD] please log in to view this image Anderson [/TD] [TD]Porto [/TD] [TD]£20.4 million[SUP][45][/SUP] [/TD] [TD]July 2007 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6 [/TD] [TD] please log in to view this image Ruud van Nistelrooy [/TD] [TD]PSV Eindhoven [/TD] [TD]£19 million[SUP][46][/SUP] [/TD] [TD]June 2001 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]7 [/TD] [TD] please log in to view this image David de Gea [/TD] [TD]Atlético Madrid [/TD] [TD]£18.9 million[SUP][47][/SUP] [/TD] [TD]June 2011 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]8 [/TD] [TD] please log in to view this image Michael Carrick [/TD] [TD]Tottenham Hotspur [/TD] [TD]£18.6 million[SUP][48][/SUP] [/TD] [TD]July 2006 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]9 [/TD] [TD] please log in to view this image Nani [/TD] [TD]Sporting CP [/TD] [TD]£17.3 million[SUP][49][/SUP] [/TD] [TD]July 2007 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]10 [/TD] [TD] please log in to view this image Owen Hargreaves [/TD] [TD]Bayern Munich [/TD] [TD]£17 million[SUP][50][/SUP] [/TD] [TD]July 2007 [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] and they reckon they haven't tried to buy success lol
Of course they will. Cos FFP only affected European qualification. If you aren't going to qualify for Europe you can spend as much as you want cos you can't be excluded. Durrrrrrrrrrrrrr
In 2016 we will have a revenue of £500million and then some. We would be capable of spending some fairly significant sums should we need to. Clubs like United dont just disapear, we are massive compared to Leeds or Forest at their biggest ever size. Old Trafford would be full if we were in the Championship and many of our asian fans grew up as United fans in a world that was by all intensive purposes domintated by United. I mean its fanatical in some parts. Our fanbase would shrink considerable but due to its current size it would remain large and most of those buying a large chunk of merchandise are those in asia who as I said, are nutters who live and breed United. I will say not all asian fans fall into this catagory but theres plenty that do, we have been marketing ourselves as the dream out there for a very long time after all. Being able to do that without being bankrolled like City and Chelsea is down to years of good business and on the field success. Something any club is capable of given the right conditions. Is it not possible that over time the balance of power would of shifted regardless of Roman or Abu Dhabi? United were already well challenged by a well run Arsenal who were basically doing what United were doing, exploiting their brand power and taking it to the world. Other clubs took far to long to see the possibilities like United and the Arsenal did.
Yep, said it myself before. If you aint getting into europe you can spend as much as you like, when you get there or there abouts reign it in and convince uefa you are trying to comply. You're in
Yeah but thats the real test though, will UEFA allow a huge dent in the TV revenue by banning the like of Man Utd or Real Madrid?? I dont think they will TBH.
Simply put we did and we didnt. Liverpool, Newcastle, Blackburn, Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, Aston Villa all outspent us on a number of occasions in the 90s. At times they paid the higher wages aswell but more often than not it was us who did but of course success equates to wage increases. We have spent big but no more than many other clubs.
Andy Carroll £35,000,000 Fernando Torres £26,500,000 Luis Suarez £23,000,000 Stewart Downing £20,000,000 Jordan Henderson £20,000,000 Alberto Aquilani £20,000,000 Robbie Keane £19,000,000 Javier Mascherano £17,100,000 Glen Johnson £17,500,000 Joe Allen £15,000,000 So what's the difference between Liverpool and Utd? Our ten biggest signings have been spread out over the course of a decade, rather than in the last five seasons. Oh, and ours actually did bring success
Forest were back to back Chapions League winners right?? and you think Man Utd have matched or gone beyond that achievement?? I'm not so sure dude lol Its something I dont think younger football fans can really understand, anyone can be relegated and anyone can go out of business as its happened in the past. The money UTD have now wont save them if they continue to invest badly in the playing side of things.
in 2 or 3 years our interest payments will be 5-10million if they even exist. Against revenues of £500million and growing profits we will be absolutely fine and if we wanted under FFP rules we could spend £50million a year right now and pass FFP with plenty of room to spare. May I remind you we have already signed a massive sponsorship deal, have another one which will match it to come and have paid £75million off our debt. Thats just this month.
wow thats alot of money on mostly **** - LOL! That aside... those transfers were post Chelsea and City so are vastly inflated. Man Utd paid £30m for Ferdinand back in 2002!! Effectively muscling out any other team that were interested in him. Where were the calls for FFP then??
I think you, and numerous others, kid yourself that the TV revenue would be affected one jot if one of those clubs were banned. Do you think the TV revenue for the knock out rounds was affected this year when Utd didn't get in? Also, do you reckon if Utd or Real finished 5th that UEFA would change the qualification rules to try and get them in the competition just to boost the TV revenue? No? Then why do you think they would change the qualification rules just to get them in?
No club has ever won b2b CL titles. Several won b2b and b2b2b and in one case 5 in a row under the old EC guise. I mean, you surely agree Barcelona are better than Forest were back then?
The problem UTD have is that after the debt is paid they could just re-mortgage you to finance the buying of another franchise putting you back to square one. Or lol sell you to another bunch of crooks that will do exactly the same thing.
Forest did... 1979 and 1980 Champions League/European Cup are the same thing. You could argue that as a straight knock out tournament it was actually harder to win back then.. lol as much as i hate giving Liverpool any credit lol
