So by the same account I find it strange that you can rave about Hughton (as you did) before he'd even done anything for us. You cannot just pick and choose when to offer an opinion based when it suits you Pyjamas. According to your philosophy, when commenting on NCFC new players/manager you can say how great they are before they have kicked a ball, but not say you think they are poor or not needed. Why is that? The evidence so far is that when we came up against a good team we struggled to keep the ball and hoofed it, why can that not be commented on? did it not happen? All I heard you chirp on about was the result which is pretty much irrelevent. We know we probably not going to play hoofball all season but it doesn't mean we might resort to it if we are struggling which some people don't want to see. My assessment of Whittaker is based on the consensus that Scottish players have a worse footballing education than the English. And you know how low an opinion I have of English players. All I've said about Turner is he's similar to Ward which is how the Sunderland fans have described his abilities ie big, slower on the turn. To be honest I try and ignore anything you say now because your making this forum a bit tedious with this relentless positive commenting every 5 posts on every thread (because regardless of what NCFC does you think its fantastic). How can you debate with that? I know people think I am relentlessly negative but if there were a little more differing of opinion on here (which thankfully seems to be coming through recently) I'd argue against the negatives I don't agree with ie Elliott Ward.
It is just a joke the amount of people who apologise just before they say anything which might sound against a player etc You don't need to, its an opinion, if people berate you for it then you just have to put up with it or counter argue their claims. Its a forum for debate not a society for sheep.
i base my views on what i've watched with my own eyes rather than pre-conceived views of leagues i don't watch or players i've not seen or things i've heard from other people. if that makes no sense to you then that's your ****ing problem. its basic stuff and you base yours on guess work. there are some seriously good posters on this board and then there are some who have simply no idea what they are talking about. interestingly, i'd put you in the former camp but you don't half talk some **** sometimes and your appraisal of scottish players illustrates this more than ever. if you think scottish players are brought up wrong then you may get a surprise when you see how technically gifted snodgrass is
Yes but you don't base it on what you've seen or heard, because I've certainly heard bad things about Turner (whom I think is a good signing)and Whittaker so I'm pretty sure you would have as well. You just don't ever appreciate or accept these comments, they just wash over you like some ethereal muteness. You even say yourself Whittaker could be dodgy at the back, yet you just ignore it when I say I think he'll be hopeless because the league he plays in is pap. This is what I don't get about you, if Whittaker had gone to QPR you'd be of the same opinion as me because that defensive doubt you have would come to the fore. You know how bad the Scottish Premiership is, you know how bad the coaching is up there, you know how backward the style of play is, you know how bad the football is. It stands to reason that if you have that kind of culture during your professional career its not conducive to producing a better player. I think I'm allowed to put that argument forward, it does pretty much explain why Scotland is a rather poor footballing Nation, much like the English. I'm pretty sure I think more highly of Snodgrass than you do. In fact I'm suprised if you like him at all (then again he does play for us now)because he doesn't strike me as having the attributes you appreciate. He got out of their early enough not to suffer the culture shock, his professional career has been of a far higher pedigree than Whittakers. I don't have a "****ing problem" (a pretty low brow comment to say the least) with you pyjamas. I just think you don't have those core beliefs that I do, I think you just pick, choose and change your opinions depending on whatever NCFC does so it must be right. I don't have any problems thanks.
A forum - is a medium in which the public may debate an issue or express opinions We don't all have to agree and I enjoy reading different points of view, but I feel there should be more tolerance of another posters views, rather than trying to say they're wrong etc. I can see that both carrabuh and Supers seem to disagree on a few topics (both make sensible and reasoned comments), but IMO, that's no cause for 'sniping' at each other!!
The Bad 1. Whittaker (I think he is going to be a shocker, there is not alot right with the SPL) I wouldn't judge him so fast, he is highly rated and I think we needed a guy like him, he's different to naughton, that doesn't mean hes bad. Give him time. 2. Ayala's loanAll about the development of a young player that could be huge for us. Surely that shows ambition to stay in this league and ambition to grow 3. Keeping Morison (poor touch, poor hold up man, poor passer, got to go)Proven premier league goalscorer, got to stay. A lot better than people give him credit for The Ugly 1. Ajax Hoofball (I am only going by what has been described as I wasn't there, but apparently it was atrocious football)Excellent second half defensive display, the like we will need against possession sides like arsenal this season, no hoofball from where I was sitting
The AJAX game was HOOFBALL that is a fact, anyone who thinks differently was either not there or was looking in the wrong direction, ie, not at the pitch! Oh dear, the Morrison debate has started again, I want to be excused as it divides the fans, personally I prefer Sainsburys!!! Hopefully Saturdays game will be played the way we all want to see it "positive"! ILD OTBC
Which way would you have prefered us to play aginst the football team which pretty much invented possesion football? We did what we could, it was an exercise and we passed it as far as I'm concerned. Plus Ajax are a lot further on with their fitness, the performance was solid.
So we're going to play like that against Arsenal then, not the same as last season, when we drew 3-3? Man City, are coming......so are a lot of other possession football teams. If we're going to play 8 accross the back 1 lost midfielder and 1 up front and let them have the ball then they'll kill us!! It was ugly Beef, ****ing ugly and I can't see what we gained from it! I would have prefered us to play wider using Pilks & Bennet, Howson taking some responsibility in midfield, and the back 4pushing a bit further up, we just stood and watched them, it was horrible! The fitness thing is bollocks imo, how fit do you have to be to stand in a line accross the back and belt the ball up field!! The quiteness of the crowd said it all for me! ILD OTBC
It's a pre-season game, we were assessing HOW to beat them/compete with them, how to approach the game. Some of it worked, some of it didn't but all in all. we were'nt out to win that game and everyone had a chance to show how they can contribute. I thought Holt and Vaughan looked good first half in front of goal, we would have had one of theres sent off for bringing Vaughan down. I don't know how you can read so much into a game that is designed to be a learning/fitness exercise.
I do agree about the fitness thing and match shrpness which isn't there yet. I still think you have to tough it out and try and play. You don't learn or get sharp from smashing a ball upfield.
Carrabuh, you and I have had a fair share of disagreements over the years about a great many things, but we've also agreed about a heck of a lot as well and whether or not I agree with you I have always respected your opinion and believe it or not (or should that be 'care or not'?) I consider you one of the best posters we have. This forum is definitely a better place with you a part of it, glad to see you getting a bit more active on here - please don't ever change (sorry, couldn't resist, force of habit)
You gave your assessment of the game and players etc, (post 48,) now your moaning at me for giving mine?!?!? My opinion is that we didn't learn anything from playing 8 accross the back, and belting the ball up field! THAT IS NOT THE NORWICH WAY! Vaughan was good and gave us an attacking outlet, probably the biggest positive of the whole game! Not one shot on goal recorded in the second half, In fact I don't think we got into their half at all!!! ILD OTBC
I'm not moaning at you sir, certainly if we played that way in a premier league game I wouldn't be happy at all but in a league game you go full out and full on with challenges etc the reward is greater. Do you think arsenal play tippy tappy football all the way through their PRE-season? Ajax were more on it than us, certainly in the second half, we were trying different things and some worked and some didn't, that's all I got out of the game. No point in judging The way we will play against fulham to the way we played Ajax, they are not comparable.
Ok Beef, we see things differently. Since Dave Stringer started us playing the "Norwich Way" way way back, It's what I've come to expect and love to see. I hate to see my team playing the "long ball" although I do accept that sometimes it works and works well, but call me a purist, I love my club and hate it playing that way even in friendly, hence my comments. I'm going on Saturday and hope to see a better game! ILD OTBC
