Hate is such a strong word. Pity works so much better, especially when talking about Liverpool. Never has such a 'big' club been so desperate for the clubs that have helped make them into a nothing club to do over their rivals. Only at Liverpool eh
Aye, Liverpool fans will always hold a special place in my heart because they are just so deluded that they are comedy gold. I have never seen a set of fans with such a victim complex either. Its a shame really because I used to like watching Liverpool when I was a nipper back in the early 80's. They are a weird lot for sure.
Oh, of course they can't all fail equally - that's the beauty of the philosophy in many ways. It's the Impossible Dream. To be honest, it's just something that has always stuck with me since I heard it and it makes me smile because it kind of sums up what being a football supporter is all about - that idea of wanting your own club to suceed so much that every other team in existence just becomes an irrelevance or an annoyance at best. Of course, if a big club gets relegated it will make me chuckle more than, say, if Wigan or Reading took the plunge, but at the end of the day, as long as it isn't Chelsea going down then that's all that really matters to me. I've experienced two relegations in my lifetime and that's more than enough for me, thanks very much. It's just that I was looking at our board this morning and on the front page we had threads about Man U, Liverpool, West Ham, countless Spuds-baiting threads, and a couple about UEFA and FIFA club rankings, and I just wondered when we all became so obsessed with other clubs and trying to "prove" that we are somehow better. Rankings prove f-all (the only rank that matters is the PL table), all fans are deluded where their own club is concerned (I know I am!), and frankly I couldn't give a stuff about Man U going backwards as long as we are going forwards. That doesn't mean I bury my head in the sand about issues like Pompey nearly going out of existence or the frankly shameful amounts of money that clubs are prepared to throw around to attract sometimes quite average players. There's loads that is wrong with football that I would love to be able to fix - including plenty of things about CFC as well. It's just that when it comes to supporting my club, I can't be arsed with all the petty stuff about who's the top club in London, where do UEFA rank us, Utd fans are arrogant, we have no history etc etc. We won the Champions League FFS - that's all that needs to be said. Not that I have anything against banter mind. I'm just being a contrary sod because I'm bored today and I want the season to start NOW!
They are calling fergie a hypocrite over his comments on PSG's spending yet the fact they spent....what was it? on that lanky geordie pile of ****? If it wasnt so funny I would be crying. They resorted to calling me an idiot and fergie 'fungus' a long time ago, when they realised they were idiots.
Well there's nothing hypocritical in what they've said from the sounds of it. They're not claiming paying huge fees for young players is ridiculous, Fergie is.
See if you looked at what they were saying when they signed Carroll you would realise how wrong you are. Oh and to be a hypocrite fergie would of needed to spend £150million in one window, feel free to provide evidence of this or indeed a figure anywhere near it. Thanks
Fergie has moaned at PSG spending 35 million on a teenager (Moura) when he spent 30 million on Rooney about 7 years ago. Hypocrite much? Fact is he is annoyed that someone dare out bid United. I remember a similar moan a few weeks ago regarding Hazard. Don't remember him moaning too much when United were the richest club and bullying the likes of Spurs, Leeds and West Ham into selling their prized assets.
Lol I cant be bothered explaining how wrong you are, done it too much already today. Beside the similar ages, the transfers were a million miles apart. They couldnt get much more different. We have hardly ever been the biggest spenders. People need to get some better, and importantly accurate arguments.
Gotta love your debating style, I think they call it 'ignoring a point you can't answer'. How exactly are the Moura and Rooney transfers miles apart? They were both teenager and both internationals and Rooneys was years ago too. As I say, Fergie can't moan about what other clubs are spending on teenagers given the money he spent on the likes of Anderson, Rooney, Jones, De Gea etc. In a given season United haven't spent as much collectively as some clubs (usually clubs with new owners playing catch up), but United have been spending big for years. Don't now cry cos there are bigger spenders in town. Veron, Rooney, Rio, Berbatoss..all youth products were they?
Oh dear, if I must.... United spent the same sort of money in a decade that Chelsea, City and Psg spend in a single window. Its in no way the same kind of spending. Our spending also massively impacted future transfers, more so if it didnt work out. Spending 35million on any player is huge, but an unproven south american who has never played club football in europe let alone lived in europe is another. When this player has nowhere near the pedigree ( in the league hes moving to ) of Rooney ( brilliant euro 2004 and already established in the PL even at 18 ) the sum is even more mental. Thats without mentioning the wages, sit down.....£200k a week if reports are true, either way we know they will be insane. All of the young players mentioned were established in major european sides, all of them. They had proved they could play in europe. How many brazilians move here for huge figures? None, they go to smaller clubs and prove themselves, least the ones who become a success do. You really cannot compare spending over a decade to spending over a month. And finally, there have always been bigger spenders than us, people cannot compete with us in football terms so they try to massively outspend us, several of those clubs almost disappeared for it aswell.
£150mill is an exaggerated figure as well Fergie knows. A quick look shows 07/08 season when you bought Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves, Tevez, Kuszczack and Possebon came to about £80mill. He's spent record fees throughout his years at United, he's just had his nose bent out of shape because PSG beat him to a signing. Which brings us to Lucas. Apparently PSG are spending £34mill on Lucas when he wasn't far off spending the same on Rooney 8 years ago when transfers weren't as high as now. He's a hypocrite, the Liverpool fans were right. Even further on that if it turns out, as the agent has suggested, United had an agreement for a similar fee before Lucas chose PSG then he's a double hypocrite, an impressive feat even by his standards.
The wages if true are high but wages have gone up massively since the Rooney transfer and United must have offered Moura somewhere near that for PSG to have to top it. Rooney is on similar money himself since he held you to ransom. Moura is unproven in Europe but generally attacking Brazilians internationals are better players and better prospects than portly Liverpudlians who have had a few good games for a mid table side. Rooney worked out but fact remains United spent 30 million on a teenager and now moan about PSG spending similar. Why? Because it's a player they want and would have probably spent 30 million on eventually had PSG not been in the mix. Jesus Barca/Madrid will probably spent 40 million plus on Neymar. Is he not worth it in the current market? Of course he is if Modric is worth 40. And Phil Jones was hardly established in a 'major European side' with half a season at Blackburn. What are you on exactly??!
Oh dear, really? £150million is the figure, not exaggerated, thats what it is. Actually £145million. Im pretty good at maths so lets look... 145million - 80million = 65million. Hefty difference there indeed. What this concluded is we have never ever spent anywhere near that figure, ever. Agreed? Good! We broke the record, often as champions and the club who made the most money. Even then they were all calculated in terms of risk. If they failed we didnt spend big for a while and had to make do. And now to Lucas............ an unproven brazilian moving to europe to a league hes never played in or probabaly heard of or a proven PL player moving 30miles up the road. Exactly the same of course....if you're a ****ing ******! As for his agent....... can I assume you believe what his agent says? £9million can make a person say whatever they are told to say to make something look less insane that it does. Not forgetting all agents tell the truth and nothing but the truth, obviously. United had a fee agreed at £20-25million, according to SP. A whole 9million less at least, we also would not pay the £9million wanted by the agent, so that 34million is 43million before wages. Oh and where do you get the £80million figure from in 07/08? Just interested, they dont add up thats all. Oh and our fees are always paid depending on the success, like all none ****ing ******ed clubs thats how we operate, we will pay you loads, when said player proves hes worth it!
His latest is that Arsenal are out of order for not selling RVP to them. How dare Arsenal not be nice and sell their captain and best player to a (former) rival for a paltry fee, who do Arsenal think they are? When Fergie blocks Heinze's transfer to Liverpool because of the history between the two clubs thats okay, but when Arsenal do the same thing 5 years down the line it's unacceptable and wrong. Honestly any other manager and any other club would get ripped apart for such hypocrisy but as an institution they are shielded by the media. Last year AVB got ripped apart for comments/hypocrisy nowhere near as bad as this
We offered 30k a week, nowhere near 200k. Rooney, one of the bst players in the world is on £180k, less that Moura. Thats that point done and dusted I am sure you will agree. Nothing else to discuss. Modric......proven top class player, 40million is high but still, its justifiable. much much more than mouras fee. Barcelona will get Neymar for less than PSG have paid for Moura, just watch. Fair play on phil jones, all but one were established for major european sides then, the other for an established PL side.
Haha, incredible. He said Arsenal are playing hardball and the balls in their court now. How in any way is that the same as him refusing to sell to Liverpool..... something that was down to not letting that **** heinze get his way as much as it was about not selling to Rafa.
