I say he is worth at least £15 million. Tit. I haven't tried to criticise our players and say they're not good enough. I have simply stated it is wrong for Rodgers to make an agreement and then go back on it. If Liverpool are trying to use American money and lawyers to bully Swansea and transplant the core of our team to theirs....you should be ashamed, and what does it say about your players and your academy. A few of you can get off your high horse regarding Liverpool's perceived greatness and our inferiority. The facts before us, in the present, don't bare this out do they.
We're only interested in Liverpool because your manager has insulted us by going back on an agreement and offered us £12 million and Jonjo Shelvey on loan for Joe Allen. 1) He agreed not to bid unless we accepted another. We haven't. 2) Allen is worth more than Henderson and Downing any day of the week 3) stop talking about Allen in the media Rodgers you massive twat 4) Jonjo Shelvey! We're supposed to develop your player for a year in the system you want to play, giving him first team football you yourselves are not prepared to do and then hand him back to play alongside Allen!! What an insult!!! We are not Liverpool's feeder team, invest in and develop your own players. Cough up the £15 million which triggers Allen's minimum release fee or shut the **** up Rodgers.....and then everyone will know that Rodgers' word means ****, we can strengthen our squad, and we can all sit back and laugh at Rodgers' fledgling career going up in smoke. "Forever a Jack"
New job sucked so I moved again... this one is great though. As to my name... yes I was milk on here originally, On the old forum I went by milk, seahokedrama (and many other anagrams of the worlds greatest footballer, Derek Asamoah). Houllier than thou, "milk, its what ian rush drinks", Biscantinople, if anyone can Biscan, lactose, and many other names. Changed my name frequently.
So if he's worth at least £15 mill we'll pay what's in his release clause (if we do bid for him) so again what's your problem? If he's worth more, then your chairman should have put a contract in front of him with either no release clause or a bigger one. Again...hardly our problem. Show us exactly what is in this agreement and if it looks like BR is being a bastard then I will gladly say so. Seeing as it's a "gentlemans agreement" I suspect you have absolutely no more accurate knowledge of this "agreement" than any of us lot do. You keep talking "facts" and yet are presenting absolutely **** all in the way of "facts" to support your supposedly "fact" based argument You have absolutely no evidence that anyone is being bullied by anyone. This statement just makes you look more than a little naive and a tad stupid. I'm not sure why it should be a problem for you whether any money that might be used in the future to bid for your players comes from America, England, Spain, Russia or Timbuktu. I hardly think bringing in one former Swansea player and possibly bidding for one more current player (who we were interested in before BR arrived just out of interest) is "transplanting the core of your team to ours". What has any of this got to do with our players or academy??? Are your current players and academy so **** that you've brought players in this summer? Or is it just that Laudrup is trying to strengthen his squad (as he should)? I don't own a horse whether it be a high one or a low one however I am fully aware of our greatness and I'm also fully aware of your now legendary inferiority complex (thankfully at least some Swans fans have managed to retain some form of perspective unlike you). The facts before us, in the present, are that you have presented a whole load of heresay and absolutely no relevant facts Tit.
Do you have a direct quote on this? Either from Jenkins or Rodgers... I want an actual quote (not media article) which states that we will not bid on a player unless another team bids on them How do you calculate worth? I'm guessing football manager! You can't compare Allen & Downing as they play in different area's of the pitch, will Allen be playing on either wing? no. you can't compare them as Allen is worthless as a winger and Downing is worthless as a central midfielder Henderson... Taking Football Manager worth guestimations out of the window and looking at the facts at 22 years old Henderson has represented England 5 times (fighting off competition from Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Jack Wilshere, etc) and is the former captain of England u21's Joe Allen has represented Wales 8 times and has had to compete with Aaron Ramsey Henderson had previously been a regular in the Sunderland team courting interest from Man Utd (had a bid rejected), Man City & Chelsea Allen has been a regular recently with Swansea, Allen broke in to the first team at Swansea before Henderson did at Sunderland but one was a premeir league team while the other played in League 1 Both have a goal/game ratio of 0.6 I'd say looking at the facts above that Henderson edges Allen and we paid £16m for Henderson at age 21 while Allen will be 23 by the end of next season, £15m seems fair on that basis (that being because Commoli & Dalglish overpaid for virtually every player they bought so we have to slowly simmer that down, Allen at £12m-£15m does that) I have seen 1 quote about Joe Allen in the press from nearly a month ago (please provide others) ""I have a great relationship with Swansea but if there is a market for any of the players, I would like to be in that market. "They respect that. He is a very talented player, which everyone knows but there is nothing more at the moment." - that was in response to being asked directly about Allen, it's hardly the stuff of 'Arry "Trrific player" Redknapp Shelvey is pretty much already developed it's just he'd struggle getting in to the side with Allen (who, lets face it will probably end up with us), Henderson, Gerrard, Lucas, Cole, Adam, Suso & Pacheco. Liverpool have invested and developed our own players we finished 2nd in the reserves league north, 3rd in the academy league & semi finalist in UEFA's inaugural next gen (youth champions league) series.. We have a huge bank of players coming through who easily have more then enough potential to make it on the big stage but all football clubs buy players. Barca, with their youth system still buy players "The Liverpool Academy is the only one who can compete at" La Masia of FC Barcelona." - Pep Guardiola
Thanks. Question though... would Allen actually start for us in our strongest xi? Unless Mr.G is pushed to the wing would not Stevie and Lucas be preferred for the centre of the field?
Just realise I share a birthday with the lad... (not same year unfortunately). With this in mind we should bust the bank to buy his contract... he is bound to be a bargain even at 100mill. Only geniuses have that birthday.
Rodgers prefers a 433 so it would be Lucas, Gerrard and one other from Henderson, Spearing, Adam or Allen (if he joins). Possibly Ramirez too but not holding my breath Makes sense to me...
Quoted from fellow Swans poster Bonymaen Jack, who's quoting from the South Wales Evening Post "The deal doesn't like it's anywhere near completed and the his value may rise MICHAEL LAUDRUP has told Liverpool to stop messing around in their pursuit of Joe Allen, saying it’s £15m or forget it. With the midfielder back from his Olympic exploits, manager Laudrup will this week sit down with Allen to discuss the 22-year-old’s future in the wake of Brendan Rodgers’ attempts to take him to Anfield. Former Swans boss Rodgers has already made a £12.5m offer for the playmaker and Laudrup insists he will respect the thoughts of the Wales youngster in the wake of the continued speculation over a proposed move. But with Swansea in no mood or financial need to sell one of their prized assets, Laudrup claimed Liverpool would still have to meet their £15m valuation of the player before any deal is considered. Laudrup actually suggested Allen could be worth more than that reported contract release figure, citing the fees paid by Liverpool for players last summer and stating the Swans ace “is on another level”. “Joe is worth a lot of money because he’s a good player and has shown he can play at the highest level,” said Laudrup. “The manager (Rodgers) knows him and knows if he wants to change the way Liverpool play he needs a player in the midfield like Joe Allen. “But he also knows he’s very, very expensive. We all saw they bought a couple of midfielders in the last few years for a lot of money – but with all due respect Joe is on a level above. “In my opinion, if one is worth £17m then Joe is worth more, perhaps £20m something. “I’m talking as a football man not as a chairman, but if the chairman asks my advice then I will tell him the same.” A £15m offer from Liverpool could take the decision out of Swansea’s hands and into the player’s with the fee believed to trigger a release clause inserted into the four-year deal he signed under Rodgers last summer. But Laudrup – whose side minus his Olympic stars entertain Blackpool in a pre-season friendly tonight (7pm) – ruled out any chance of a makeweight in a possible deal of that size, claiming he has no intention to take a Liverpool fringe player in part exchange. Laudrup made his assertion following the loan offer of midfielder Jonjo Shelvey in Liverpool’s bid. “We have good players here and they have good players – but I can’t see a player not in the starting XI at Liverpool being in the starting XI in our team,” said the former Barcelona and Real Madrid great. And after meeting Allen briefly for the first time yesterday following his return from the Olympics, Laudrup now wants the saga sorted one way or another as the start of the season looms into view. “Until now everything has been in the papers and it’s much more important to see what he wants and what he says on it all,” said Laudrup of Allen, the midfielder to return to training tomorrow alongside fellow Team GB players Scott Sinclair and Neil Taylor. “It is important for the club and the player to find out what he wants so we all know where we stand before the league starts. If he wants to stay, he stays. If he wants to go we’ll look at that. “But it’s better for everybody we know otherwise it will go on until the last day of the transfer window. “The decision of the player is very important. I can’t imagine that the club will say, ‘Joe, we’ve had an incredible offer and you have to go’. A lot of clubs do sell because it’s a lot of money and you can buy another player at around the same level for much less. “But I don’t think that’s the case here. He’s a local lad and important, so his opinion is the key to all this.” The former Getafe and Mallorca coach says he does not want the speculation to drag on much further to protect the player, but also so he can plan for the campaign opener against QPR on Saturday week. He admitted he would have to add another midfielder should Allen leave for Merseyside. Laudrup is currently “quite close” to landing one of two remaining transfer targets, believed to be a striker and a winger. And he added he has no intentions of losing the key men continually linked with moves away, Sinclair, Taylor and Ashley Williams the latest. Laudrup said: “There is always rumour – one day it’s Joe, one day it is Ashley, the next it’s Taylor or it’s Leon or Graham. “It’s normal you look at it as normal and it says we must be doing something good. “But you need a competitive team to play in the Premier League, so, of course, we will not sell all our best players because what is the point of being the richest club in the Championship?” Says it all really doesn't it.....cue Scouse bullshit
Says nothing more than we already knew you don't want to sell him (fair enough, we already knew that) but a bid of £15mill takes it out of your hands...so what's new lad?
well, as usual for your posts it says feck all really apart from the fact that Swansea fc are hypocrites for complaining about it being done publicly and then using the media to start a bidding war.
Don't Swans fans finally realise that the fee offered (if it was actually offered) was the value that LFC placed upon the player. If they look back through our threads they will find that the any offer from LFC will not come from Rodgers alone but from a management team. The Siguardsonn saga will show that this team are not easily pressured into entering a bidding war. Let alone that an offer of £15 million takes the matter out of Swansea's hands.
Fulham fan in peace. There's a difference between the Hodgson and Rodgers scenarios, as I understand it. Hodgson's was a gentleman's agreement, whereas I gather that the Rodgers thing is a legal clause written into the paperwork for his move from Swansea, prohibiting Liverpool from bidding for any Swansea players unless an offer from another club is accepted. Also, Roy promised not to take any of our key players, which Konchesky wasn't. If he'd come back to sign one or more of Hangeland, Dempsey, Zamora, etc he would have been breaking the terms of the agreement. Konch was a regular starter, but not a key player. Al Fayed was pretty hacked off that Roy left, and wouldn't have played ball on the transfer if Konch was central to our future plans. Having clarified all that, I'll now let you Liverpool and Swansea fans get back to tearing lumps out of each other. Enjoy.
Where did you "gather" this from? Besides that, the big difference is that fulham prob would have paid us to to konch.
I remember reading it in one of the press reports when Rodgers moved. I could be wrong, of course, but that's what I remember hearing. Haha! He did all right for us, but was never a great favourite. We didn't mind him leaving, but would have been happy if he'd stayed. To be honest, in recent years we've had a lot of left backs who have been good without being stand-out performers. Konch was as good as any others we've had in the Premier League. Riise started shakily but looked a lot better towards the end of last season than he did at the beginning. If he keeps on like that this year, he'll arguably be the best we've had for some time. The fact that he's turned things around after initially struggling is also an argument for not writing players off when they fail to make a positive impact straight away. Just a thought.
The media "say" all sorts of things, only a small percentage is actually true. As for Konch, I was just joking before, I actually thought he was a decent player for you and was okish about him coming to us. He did make one or two mistakes but was nowhere as bad as some made out. For whatever reason people just directed their anger with the whole situation onto Konch.
