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Ask Princess - August 2012

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by Ron, Aug 4, 2012.

  1. Ron

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    PN, The Fugue has a full brother who i think is now a 2yo. Are you able to tell us more?
     
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    Found this George

    Fugue.JPG
     
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    Yep Ron that's how I found she had a full brother yesterday. I want to know name, yard ect if possible so I can track him. 33,000 potentially very cheap
     
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    From what I can find, he has been named DUCAB.

    I imagine he is with Ed Dunlop, due to the purchaser listed at the sales. He does not hold any entries that I can see so far. I will be able to tell you during the week if he is officially in training as I'm due to check a list of two year olds.
     
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    Princess re Frankel going to stud - will he stand only at the Juddmonte stud in Newmarket or will they move him around their other locations?

    Has anyone hazarded a guess at his likely stud fee? (notwithstanding any special deals or relationships)
     
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    DUCAB......what a carp name to give to a racehorse
     
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    DUCAB...
    Ducab, a cable manufacturing company with manufacturing factories in Abu Dhabi and Dubai, supplies a range of High, Medium and Low Voltage cables and ...
     
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    I did exactly the same Ardent. I thought is must be some sort of fish.
     
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    Odddog, although Juddmonte own studs in France and Ireland, they only stand stallions in Newmarket (7) and Kentucky (2). I can't see that they'd stand him in the USA so unless they sell him (a la Workforce) he will stand in Newmarket.

    The only real frame of reference we have for stud fees for a horse with a similar profile is Sea The Stars who retired at €85,000. However, Frankel has a better male line pedigree than STS, Cape Cross has yet to prove himself as a sire of sires and, all being well, will retire unbeaten so I wouldn't be surprised to see an advertise fee of £100,000.
     
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    Thanks Princess - I guess he might end up being a "Price on enquiry" like his dad :)
     
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    I can confirm that DUCAB is actually in training with Roger Varian.
     
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    Not too long ago wouldn't he have been about £250k given his CV?
     
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    Not for an unproven sire. Sadler's Wells reportedly hit about £250k at his peak, and Galileo is alleged to be around the £175k mark at the moment.
    The most expensive stallion to retire in recent years was Dubai Millennium in 2001. He was £100,000 and for that the Sheikh also threw in free transport from anywhere in the globe for the mare, free board and lodging for the mare at Dalham Hall Stud (worth about £1000-£1500 per month) and free first class travel to Dubai with 5 star hotel accomodation to watch the Dubai World Cup that year.
     
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    I was forgetting that the £250k for Saddlers Wells was at his peak, having proved himself. I see that in 1995 he was IRG 100k and it took 5 years to get to IRG 150k before going private.
     
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    I never heard what Montjeu's "Private" fee was actually worth. I do know that he suffered from libido problems, hence why he covered smaller books than his stud mate Galileo.

    2008 Galileo 209; Montjeu 100
    2009 Galileo 193; Montjeu 120
    2010 Galileo 177; Montjeu 118
    2011 Galileo 214; Montjeu 92
     
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    A question for you PN and Ron... After watching the Equestrian riders in the Dressage is the route of the skills they have to perform given to them by the Olympic committee or something that is set in stone that they have to do...?

    I was fascinated when the horse's did that 2 step thing then the 1 step thing, just brilliant to watch. I would imagine that the training of the horses must be over years to get them to that standard so its very impressive when you see them perform like that... Looks a very hard skill to do to get the horse to change feet and skills so quickly...

    Cheers...<ok>
     
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    Red, the tests (as they are called) are set by the FEI (Federation Equestre Internationale), the governing body for international equestrian events.

    There are many different tests for each of the different international levels, which can be found here.

    Dressage takes years of training for both horse and rider. Those that do not understand it think that the rider sits there and does nothing, which couldn't be further from thr truth! If it is done right it should look like the rider does nothing, it's kind of the point!

    For two of the three levels that are ridden at the Olympics (Grand Prix and Grand Prix Special) every rider must ride an identical test. The final round, later today, is the Freestyle to music (or Kur) where the rider is given a list of moves that must be demonstrated but in no particular order. The rider also has to arrange music to suit their test, with different tempos to match the different paces.

    I think the moves that you are referring to are the "flying changes" which is a move ridden in canter. When a horse canters, if you watch, one front leg lands slightly in front of the other - this is the leading leg. When a horse canters around a bend or in a circle, the leading leg is on the inside, helping to keep the horse balanced. When a horse canters with the leading leg on the outside of a bend it is described as "counter canter".
    The "flying change" is where the horse is asked to change its leading leg without breaking stride. A regular rider would usually just take the horse back to trot before asking the horse to canter again.

    When done right it should look like the horse is skipping.

    Other frequently seen moves are:

    half-pass (the horse travels forwards and sideways at the same time, crossing his hind legs. Ridden in either trot or canter)

    Passage (a very slow trot with a high knee action)

    Piaffe (trotting on the spot)

    Pirouettes (the horse turns a half or full circle with his hind legs remaining in more or less the same spot)

    The moves for today's Freestyle can be found here

    Hope that explains some of it!
     
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    More than explains it PN... Thanks... Its just beautiful to watch and the switching of the legs from whichever skill they pass through is so elegant and graceful that they really are the ballerina's of the horse world...


    Many thanks, at least i know i bit more and have some idea as what to look out for now...<cheers>
     
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    Not a problem.

    The start list for today is here, with the first rider about to enter the ring.

    The GB riders will not go until 3.20 (Laura), 3.30 (Carl) and 3.50 (Charlotte) as they are riding in reverse order following Tuesday's team final.
     
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