Thought this would be a potentially interesting topic as so much is written about flops or successful bargain signings. Which players would you say have justified the large transfer fee paid for them by a club? Examples: Christiano Ronaldo. £80 m 144 appearances (146) goals [36] assists La Liga (11/12) Copa Del Rey (10/11) Now does Ronaldo justify his fee? I would say on a personal level he does, he has scored more than a goal a game since his transfer with a fair number of assists thrown in for good measure. However from a team perspective is one league and one cup in three seasons worth £80m? Does the merchandising aspect of the transfer go some way to cover the world record fee? Or others how about Zidane (£56m, 1 league, 1 champions league, this could be argued to not have been a good signing) Rio Ferdinand? (£30m, 5 Leagues, 1 Champions League) or Sergio Arguero (£36m, 1 season, 1 league title) What are peoples opinions, without descending into club based bias if possible.
His shirt sales I believe have alone paid for the transfer. Add marketing to that and he's been a massive profit for Real. What defines big Money though? 20+? 30+?
Well I didn't to define an exact amount as older signings are not big figures compared to this day and age, so big money for the time of the signing. Daglish was 900k or so which was pretty big money for the time.
I read somewhere that clubs only make about £5 per shirt when sold through secondary retailers (ie not their own stores) so not sure on that bit but pretty sure overall he can still be classed as justifying his fee.
IMO Most big money signings justify their fee, in one way or another. It's easier to name those who haven't: e.g. Shevchenko at Chelsea, Mendieta at Lazio, Veron at United and - at the moment - Torres (CFC) and our very own Andy Carroll.
In to two of the above. Fabregas 35m a bargain? Barcelona have won nothing since his arrival. So they paid 35m to get back a player who had left them and although he is good (no doubt about that) they have not gained from the transfer yet. I would say we'll have to wait to see if that one is justified. Alonso: While 30m is a good price (in the current market, 15m for Allen!) he has still only helped bring 1 Copa and 1 league in the 4 years there, is this justified? Buffon: 3 league titles is an alright return, while he personally has won the world cup in that time. Interesting one. I think the point of this is to see if a transfer actually benefits the team overall. Does paying these large fees truly work in sports? Another one could be Rooney, who aside from being a hot headed individual, has had a major hand in Man U success.
I think the last part there contradicts the other points, Alonso has been outstanding in making Madrid play the way they do. Buffon has provided a solid foundation for Juve for over a decade and will continue to do so for a few more years. I honestly do not know how you see Buffon as an interesting one, not everything is measured in titles and trophies. For **** sake Traore won the CL with us!
Your logical is completely false. You cannot base how much a team wins on the amount paid for 1 player; many teams will sell players to raise money to buy that one player; it doesn't make the player any less valuable to the team. Suarez was £23m, we have won 1 carling cup with him, so is he not worth it then? Should we have not bought him?
Well football (as much as you may or may not agree) is at a base level is about winning. So for example Torres to Liverpool. On one level he was amazingly successful, scored lots of goals, fans loved him, sold loads of shirts. On an opposing level he won nothing during his time at Liverpool, which ultimately, is the point of football. Its the reason he moved as he wanted to win. So yes I agree Alonso and Buffon are wonderful players, but consider Buffon, the most expensive Keeper in history helped win 3 leagues in 11 years, while Joe Hart has just one the premier league and cost 300k. Its just one of the points to consider does the price that is paid justify the success (sporting, financial, etc) they bring. I would say Rooney for example has justified his large transfer fee more than others owing to his involvement in Man U recent success. Typed this really quick so aplogise for any grammer cock ups.
Got to remember that Dalglish was bought (for 440K) to replace Keegan (sold for 500k). So it was a very good deal for Liverpool in that respect. Getting a superior player for a net profit.
Players costs' are based on their performances, Traore has been mentioned before; the CL win will have done nothing for his value. However, you seem to forget the huge wages behind the transfer - The Initial transfer fee is a token for one club to another, but when players are demanding 200k a week at city etc... it doesn't matter that they cost 300k. There are a number of factors that go towards winning a trophy, and the main one is how the team plays as a whole. There are very few players in the world that can single handedly inspire a team to do well, and most of them cost the club nothing. If we were to pay £45m for Piqué for instance, who would also demand huge wages - there is very little guarantee we'd win more with him in the team. We could fork out for players like Ganso, Neymar etc... and we still wouldn't be guaranteed to win anything, but there's no denying they're good players, possibly worthy of the money. A better Situation to ponder would be the correlation between teams that spend a lot per season and their success, not individual cost.
So a player not only is responsible for his own performances but those of all his team mates aswell? I guess Maradona was a poor value signing for Napoli in 1984. Seeing as his transfer to Napoli broke the transfer record yet he only won 2 league titles in 7 years there.
Always thought Daglish was more than that. Still that's an amazing transfer example. The Suarez example is an interesting one as well. He is an amazing little player, but his behaviour was such that Standard Chartered threatened the owners owing to potential investment lost (so I have read) At the same time, his being in the team encourages other high class players to come to the team. Improving reputation can justify a fee.
Torres for us...won **** all. Not deemed a waste of money even when you take the profit of the sale away, and that includes his poor seasons too.
Heskey. A record signing for us. Won the treble, plus an extra league cup, consistent CL qualification and PL runners up 2002. 60 goals in 223 games. Not the most exciting player but he helped us get the best out of Owen, which is proved by his presence in the England team.
I hate this argument, fair enough you can say X number of shirts with C.Ronaldo on the back were sold making a profit of Y, but we never compare this to the drop in figures for other players at the club. Basically, the people that bought a C.Ronaldo shirt didn't buy X, Y or Z shirt instead. Obviously, some may have done but most people but one or two shirts a year. That year, they chose C.Ronaldo instead. The main benefit in shirt sales is if you buy a player of a certain nationality. For example, Man Utd signing Park (not saying this is the reason for the signing), he clearly helped the club in the asian market. A Portuguese player in Spain isn't going to make a massive difference. The only way it would is if C.Ronaldo is massive in Asia, America, Africa, etc which I don't think he is, not the the Beckham degree anyway
When I lived in Japan, 6 years ago, I went to their sports authorities store, and Ronaldo in Man U jerseys was everywhere. Literally, kids lining up for a jersey with his name on the back. Made me sick, but he was HUGE in Japan... Just so you know
Copa del Rey, 2011â12 Supercopa de España, 2011 UEFA Super Cup, 2011 FIFA Club World Cup, 2011 Only 4 trophies in a year. ****, that.
