It doesn't matter if there's a case or not tbh someone would take up the case for him and even if QPR won the tribunal they'd still lose from the huge legal bills. This is why a lot of companies when threatened with a tribunal will agree a smaller settlement as even if you win you lose
Watford R, I can't understand why your club is having anything to do with Barton, it does seem to the rest of the world that you are trying to cheat the ban, and that is just disgraceful. Take the tribialism out of the equation, look at the facts, the guy is just pure trouble and will continue to be for QPR as long as you keep trying to protect him. I don't have any problem with QPR, apart from the normal banter, but Joey Barton is a cancer in your club and needs to be removed before you lose all credibility. Don't become his protector!! ILD OTBC
Rich, I do have quite a bit of experience in employment law, generally if you lose you pick up the legal bill. I have sat in many Industrial tribunals, I've always fought the corner of the company's I worked for, and can only remember one which went against us. Believe me it can be done, if you present your case correctly and have gone through the proper procedures! Sorry this is not meant to be condescending, but as I said I do have some experience! ILD OTBC
There's no rule to cheat. We've asked them the question and they can say yes or no and thus set a precedent. If we were able to loan him to a league that plays during the Summer then I'd consider that wrong, but he'll be back at best a couple of weeks before he would have been anyway, and can then play from the end of whenever that is until Jan for someone else.
I don't know what else you expect the club to do with him. We can't sack him without paying him off, no matter how many people say "I'm a plumber/estate agent/actuary/vet and if I elbowed someone at work I'd be sacked". If someone would take him permanently that he'd go to then the club would snap their hands off but it's not realistically going to happen.
but what i'm saying is that the fa have said they won't allow you to do what you are suggesting because they think you are cheating the system. he is due back on 24th november if he stays at qpr - if he goes to fleetwood for example, with league fixtures and various cup games (assuming they got through) would mean he'd be back early october!! that's cheating!
As WR has pointed out, there is no rule that would be broken by JB going down a league or two to serve the ban quicker. However, if it does happen I will bet the FA will close that loophole pretty sharpish
i think we can all see there is a loophole here but the fa have said they can veto any loan if they feel there is an ulterior motive, and in this case, there is
But attempting to loan him out is not cheating. I would agree it can be classed as "not in the spirit of the game/rules" and if the FA decide to let it happen then I would say fair play to QPR for having the balls to go and do it. Let us be honest here, if it was one of our players with a massive ban, would we not want him back as soon as humanly possible? I am sure we would. (Obviously I am taking individual personalities out of the equation here)
qpr are trying to cheat in order to get a player back quicker. it really is as simple as that. just cos there's a loophole doesn't suddenly make it right! why they'd want the twat back any quicker than they need to is beyond me any way...
on that note I give up. My honest opinion is as above and branding the clubs as cheats is just wrong. In simple terms - If it happens, no rules would be broken and the FA have let it happen. Tell me, what would QPR have done wrong? Nothing! Nothing I can say is going to change the minds of those that are clearly made up so I shall not bother going any further with this thread
Thai, they are trying to circumvent the ban by using an obscure loophole. The player was given a 12 game ban, why should it be any less? If it isn't technically cheating then it is morally/ethically wrong, not that that will mean anything to football!!! By trying to "cheat" it indicates that they are prepared to take him back at the earliest opportunity, and that is extremely wrong! ILD OTBC
I am not saying it is right but I cannot consider it as cheating as the rules are not in place to prevent it happening. I did say it may be "not in the spirit of the game/rules" and a loan move to lessen the "time served" is certainly questionable. Ultimately the player will serve the 12 game ban, so it can not be less (in terms of games), only the time frame which is why I would agree it is arguably unethical or immoral action but as it is possible to do (as things stand today) I do not blame them for trying. Under normal circumstances a ban is 2 or 3 games and loan moves are never considered to try and side step these punishments. This can be considered as a test case and I honestly believe if an attempt is made, whether the FA accept or reject it, this loophole will be closed.
Look at it another way if xx club were using an obscure loophole to pay 1% in tax would it be ok, no rules have been broken but is it "right"? We need as a society to make a decision whether we live to the letter of the law or the spirit of the law with a dose of social responsibility thrown in too. Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
For what it's worth, I don't think any of us (at least anyone who I've seen post) want him to play for us ever again. I hope the board want's to get some money back from his wages, and will loan him out until Christmas, and then look for a buyer in January. Would you guys consider us to be cheating, if he is excluded from the 25 man squad, and therefore ineligible to play until January?
At the very least, if you wanted him to play, he would use up a squad place until late November, by loaning him out, he will come back sort of match fit for a January place in the squad!
no, that would be absolutely fine. if anything that's a sterner punishment! i realise that most qpr fans want rid of barton and we don't have a great rapport with the r's fans on here but its this sort of thing which your club a bad name.
Blimey, I'm agreeing with Super on 2 posts in a row!! But, with the figures that were bounced around on our board, if he'd successfully sued us for wrongful dismissal the it could have cost us in excess of £15,000,000. Which would mean we'd probably only have been able to afford to sign Green this transfer window, after wages and everything else is taken into account
